Michael Laudrup on match fixing

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Maestro said:
I thought that was what wages and win bonuses were for.
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You would of thought so but they can never have to much money! I assume the payment would be from club to club? Rather than straight to the players. Seems a crazy idea to me and in many ways very sad that this is what people feel football has come to. Players not trying unless they have even more of a financial incentive
 
At first glance it seems unsporting, but when you think about it there's nothing wrong with it really!

Paying a player to win just means they try harder, it doesn't necessarily mean they can win. It's completely different to paying them to lose

Not something I would be particularly fond of knowing was in our football culture, but not something I'm worried about
 
I've actually just seen a very good point - at the end of the season, teams with nothing to play for could demand MASSIVE bonuses to even go out and try against teams which would really mess with the system

Obviously you can't just not bother because the fans will tear you limb from limb, but we all know there are levels of effort
 
I agree there is nothing illegal in this practice and my title was a little misinforming suggesting its about match fixing which it is not. However it does raise the question about where to draw the line and certainly shows a degree of gamesmanship. Overall it is sad that the only thing to get some teams/players to try is through financial incentives.
 
Any suggestion of incentive, payment or bonus for a team other than your own may not be illegal but is totally and outrageously immoral.
 
#BigHairyWinger said:
teams with nothing to play for could demand MASSIVE bonuses to even go out and try against teams
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I don't think they could. Any player found guilty of demanding money to even try playing would probably be put in the reserves and fined a couple weeks wages just for the cheek of it. It's surely a breach of contract to threaten to not do your best for a club that is paying you thousands of pounds a week.

Just look at Carlos Tevez last season - refused to come off the bench against Bayern, gets dropped for about six months as a result.
 
You might even say that it is actually a method of increasing fairness, e.g. in a scenario where Team A will be relegated unless Team B fails to win, and where Team B is playing a team who have nothing hanging on the result. It is unfair on Team A if Team B's opponents just more or less go through the motions.

Real point is that you cannot eliminate entirely these kinds of unfairnesses. Football, like life, cannot be made fair and trying to make it so often leads to worse consequences. <ok>
 
Hucks for Manager! said:
I don't think they could. Any player found guilty of demanding money to even try playing would probably be put in the reserves and fined a couple weeks wages just for the cheek of it. It's surely a breach of contract to threaten to not do your best for a club that is paying you thousands of pounds a week.

Just look at Carlos Tevez last season - refused to come off the bench against Bayern, gets dropped for about six months as a result.
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Clubs rather than individual players could perhaps demand large financial incentives?
 
tipsycanary said:
Clubs rather than individual players could perhaps demand large financial incentives?
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Fair enough, but can you really see that happening? Premier League clubs get a LOT of money as it is, and it's set to rise an unimaginable amount next season. I think most, if not all, clubs are pretty damn happy with what they already get. Besides, they only get that for fulfilling a 38 game fixture list. I really can't see a side conspiring to throw a game just to get more money from the league. They'll just get points deducted for blackmail or match fixing or both.
 
Hucks for Manager! said:
Fair enough, but can you really see that happening? Premier League clubs get a LOT of money as it is, and it's set to rise an unimaginable amount next season. I think most, if not all, clubs are pretty damn happy with what they already get. Besides, they only get that for fulfilling a 38 game fixture list. I really can't see a side conspiring to throw a game just to get more money from the league. They'll just get points deducted for blackmail or match fixing or both.
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I really hope it does not happen as it would certainly be a massive grey area on what is and is not allowed. However it is football and seems to be dictated by money so I would not be hugely surprised if it did occur at some point although no time soon.
 
I feel the whole other clubs paying teams to try and win..... it's just not cricket! You are paid to do your best whatever the situation, honour your contract..... oh I forgot this modern generation of footballers care little of honour oh and this is football not cricket!
 
zogean_king said:
I feel the whole other clubs paying teams to try and win..... it's just not cricket! You are paid to do your best whatever the situation, honour your contract..... oh I forgot this modern generation of footballers care little of honour oh and this is football not cricket!
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Fine sentiments zogean, but the fact is, at the end of the season, teams with nothing hanging on their result for themselves do often take a somewhat leisurely approach. There is often a holidayish feel to the whole occasion and it's clear nobody is being too serious about it. Yet the result may well affect the fortunes of another club.
 
It could get to point though, where a team almosts expects money from a third party team for them to up their game and if they don't than they might not play to their best because they were not offered anything. If that makes sense. Not all teams can do that financially and just adds another thing where money plays a part.
 
robbieBB said:
Fine sentiments zogean, but the fact is, at the end of the season, teams with nothing hanging on their result for themselves do often take a somewhat leisurely approach. There is often a holidayish feel to the whole occasion and it's clear nobody is being too serious about it. Yet the result may well affect the fortunes of another club.
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And good luck to the team that is safe from relegation. The plight of other clubs is not their problem and for some other club to offer them something intrinsic is obscene.
 
YellowLittle said:
It could get to point though, where a team almosts expects money from a third party team for them to up their game and if they don't than they might not play to their best because they were not offered anything. If that makes sense. Not all teams can do that financially and just adds another thing where money plays a part.
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Exactly right. The idea of the perfectly level playing field is an illusory ideal impossible to attain. Doesn't stop people meddling though, in the often mistaken belief that things can be made better. I certainly hadn't heard about the "suitcases" in the Spanish leagues. We British are hopelessly unimaginative; the best we can manage is brown envelopes in lay-bys, though apparently some of us have at least now heard of overseas bank accounts.
 
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