a few days ago blackcat wrote an excellent article titled KISSING THE BADGE, all about players loyalty or just for the salary. thegeneral agreement was that the players have not, and do not have to justify loyalty to a club as long as he gives 100% whilst there. this got me on to thinking that the same can be said of managers, theres not to many loyal managers in the game, (unless they are at a sucessful club many are not given the chance as sacking early seems to be the norm these days). with the exception of saf and arsene whinger, there are very few, in fact our our s.bruce has shown little loyalty in recent years, so as saf will retire one day and brucey will be one of the candidates for it, i expect a vast majority of safc would accept this fact and say thanks steve best of luck. but now im going to ask a very dubious question, one that doesn't bear thinking about. what about if our friends from ne1 came in and made him a unthinkable offer, do you think loyalty woulds stand orwould it be of to his boyhood club. answer with your head not your heart, this is a horrible post with horrible thoughts but this is football and lack of loyalty. taxi for one???????????
Think he burned his bridges there long ago, and i think the reason he turned them down was because of the turmoil at that club that was/is stunting it's progress. I'd never begrudge any human being the opportunity to progress themselves as an individual, i don't think Bruce would be progressing to got there, from a purely career and sporting perspective, it would be unforgivable. The 'toon fan' element doesn't come into this for me, as he turned them down, and came here. I think Bruce will be around for many years yet, thankfully. He's done a magnificent job, we were linked with Van Gaal at the time, i don't think for a second he'd have done better, seriously. Bruce can leave for Manchester United or England, anyone else and i will have a problem.
a real debateable one, theyr'e in the p/l, realistically should have a few quid, fat mike could offer him the world,and who knows. like you said he could leave for united or england and that would be ok, but its the thought of him leaving for them thats the problem. this thread is a follow on from blackcats titled kissing the badge about loyalty. this is football loyalty, nah mate doesnt exsist
Commachio You've touched on a sore point for us here. When SB joined us I was very nervous as his roots on the darkside did not endear him to many/any? and if results had gone badly then it could have been like a fuse to a bomb. This has not happened thankfully, imho down to his professionalism in wanting to get the job done. He's gone on record recently as learning to appreciate ES and NQ and how fortunate he is to have their backing. Would he go to ne1? For me, not with Cashly running the place, but if the club was taken over by someone who was decent - and they made a big money offer? Yes is my answer.
i reckon deep down in most of us there is the fear that this thread hits a nerve which most have hidden. what if the unimagineable happens and they have a decent run, be it next season or there after, fat mike sells and someone like ellis short takes over, they come in with THAT offer, thats crunch time. kissing the badge, remember db, i love it here, words are easy to say, im probably gonna get slated for this thread, but im man enough to accept it, its thought provoking and its only my opinion.
The way to look at it for me, is even if he went, we are a VERY attractive job now for incoming managers, we'd be alright.
totally agree mate, thought provoking though. he would be a hard act to follow, only the top of the management tree would be acceptable now
I agree it's a decent question mate, i just can't and won't bring myself to consider it happening, hence i'm fluffying it up
I agree with BruceysBeak and repeat that nobody is bigger than the club. To quote many a "mission statement" - Our policy is one of continuous improvement!
for bruce to leave, he would only leave to move upwards, be that england, man united, or a weird alternate future where newcastle get their act together, invoke the pagan gods and magically transform into a title-challenging side. bruce has (allegedly) turned down newcastle twice, took a pay cut to move to us, all because he saw the job here as perfect for him - the right club for him to finally stick it out, close to home, with resources to develop something special. walk away from sunderland, for anything less than a club that is patently superior in all aspects (fan base, resources, opportunity to challenge for honours), and he will be seen as the jobbing manager he was before he came here. apart from the fiasco at birmingham (i believe those boardroom struggles definitely put him off the newcastle job), bruce has moved into jobs where he has had the opportunity to move a team further on - wigan to us was a lateral (at best) move as far as the table was concerned, but everything else was in place and bruce looks like taking us far further than he could ever have taken wigan. so i don't see how bruce would leave us, unless it was for a far superior team, and if that were to happen, he would have to have done a grand job here, in which case, he leaves us in a far better position than when he arrived - you can't say fairer than that. as for bruce to newcastle, well, who knows what the future may hold, but for as long as they have ashley for an owner there is no chance whatsoever, and even if they got a magical ellis short clone, i would say that too much has happened for him to take that job. as far as his loyalty goes, id say look no further than his reaction to gyan's equaliser in the derby, or his behaviour at the end of the blackpool game - though he may have been born and raised a mag, bruce is a mackem now.
Strange but I wouldn't be all that cocerned. I am very much a Bruce fan but has got us in to a position where we would be shopping Selfridges if we had to find a replacement. When you look at Fulham who would want to shop at Horrods. But seriously if he walked out now we are in a position to attract a top notch manager so just sit back and enjoy the ride.
It's just like anyone of us on here, all mackems?sunderland supporters through and through. Lets suppose Man Utd sacked Fergy and offered one of us the job, you'd take it and do your best for Man Utd, but, you'd always be a mackem/sunderland supporter.
yes but lets pretend that you are one of the up and coming managers in the land, have played for man utd, won several trophies, then managment beckoned, and after several clubs you are at newcastle, a real up and coming club (bear with me lads i know its fantasy) then safc come a calling (your home club) with promises of all the riches in the world (dont forget fat mike is an expert at the spin, look at the ****e he manages to flog in his shops) they offer you untold wealth and resources to restore the club , man utd your dream job has not materialised what do you do? loyalty, this is football,
You've got a point but look at the other side of the coin. He now know's what SAFC is all about, he has a Chairman who understands the game from grass roots level and has the Club & the Fans at heart, his desire is to see the stadium packed out (after extending) and see European teams gracing the SOL, he also has an Owner (make that mega rich owner) whom shares similar deires and has bought into the whole SAFC thing. Also take into account that Mr Ashley (that's me being kind) is renound as a laughing stock, devoid of any ambition to progress the club other than to beef it up a bit in order to get a decent price for it one day. Which do you think Steve Bruce would choose?
you seem to be playing a purposefully obtuse devil's advocate commachio - what you seem to be getting at is you have a fear bruce would defect to newcastle, rather than take a more progressive job that we all accept may one day become reality. bruce won't take the newcastle job for a number of reasons. 1) ashley will never get his act together, and bruce would never work for him, he's already turned him down an offer from ashley, hated working under the porn kings at brum, won't work in a circus when he's proven enough to only have to work in a good environment. mike ashley would never in a million years convince anyone who wasn't desperate or his mate to manage newcastle - with him in charge the job is a poisoned chalice, one of the biggest in football but where everything is set up to make the manager fail. no amount of spin (and ashley is rubbish at spin, his pr efforts have left him the most hated man in the north east) can hide ashley's treatment of keegan, allardyce, hughton, or cover the appointment of kinnear, the sale of carroll. 2) newcastle at best are likely to be as established a force in the prem as we are - i can see us hitting a glass ceiling of around fifth/sixth, and only mega investment takes you above that (spurs, city). newcastle (despite the derbies) are a way behind us in terms of squad depth and ability, it would take years of big investment to fire them to the cusp of european football, so bruce wouldn't leave for them to further his career. 3) bruce took a pay cut to move here - clearly he's not money motivated. 4) bruce's actions in the derbies and since would make him quite unpalatable to the geordie faithful, he'd be fighting a losing battle trying to win them over after what has happened with us. seems to me you're making a fuss over nowt
I think he is a quality professional with good morales... In an interview he stated that he did not accept the job twcie...once when Sir Bobby was still ther...in which he refused as he would never do that to his mentor and when the post was vacant after they sacked him...he said he would never fill his shoes.... This just proves he would only go there when the time was right, if ever....witht he backing he has here from the people above him and his fans then i doubt he would ever leave us until something much bigger was offered to him...i.e. Man U, top 4 or England....
Pretty sure there's only one job he would actually leave us for and that's ManU. On the plus side for us Mourinho has been on the phone to St Niall and threw his name in the hat if a managers position became available here.
When Bobby Robson looked at the Sunderland job, he walked away and told the BBC "I think there are problems up there that not even I could solve". I think Robson would have loved the job, but, at the end of the day, these guys are professionals. It would take an awful lot for a relatively young, ambitious manager like SB to go to Newcastle. If they got someone like Ellis Short? Well ... how many of those are there around? I can't think of a better owner in the Prem. and I can't think where Newcastle would find one.
The best interview I have seen for a long time was Dagleash after the Chelsea game when asked about Torres leaving. This club is an institution and is bigger than you, me or anyone else. I lov Bruce, quinn and Short and would be gutted if any left right now, especially for Newcastle. That is my heart talking because my head says if anyone leaves us it's irrelivant who they go to, its Sunderland I care about. Both Sundeland and Newcastle have shown over the years that heartbreak and following either tend to go hand in hand but we always move on and get on with it.
whilst i may seem to be making a fuss over nowt, it was a fairly simple thread of, do you think s. bruce would ever contemplate going to the mags. while we are riding the crest of this wave and we are all on a high, i am sorry to disagree with most of you as he can do no wrong at the moment,(although it was a bit different not so long back), if they ever got their **** together. why wouldnt he, its business. i state again loyalty in football nah
