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Methven opens up

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  1. Teessidemackem

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    Charlie Methven says Sunderland are 'ahead of their blueprint', both on and off the pitch.It is six months since Methven and Stewart Donald struck a deal with Ellis Short to take over the club.

    They have faced up to a challenging financial picture, an extensive overhaul of the playing squad and management, and the realities of a club reeling from successive relegations.

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    Methven has been encouraged by what he has seen on the pitch and says that off it, good progress has been made towards executing Donald's plan for the club.

    "We’re slightly ahead of our blueprint, on and off the pitch," he told the Echo.

    "The revenue figures are slightly better than we budgeted, the cost base is about where we thought it would be and is still headed in a downward direction.

    "Performances on the pitch, we hoped that, we knew that the first few months would be difficult with such a big turnover of players and a new league. I think we said that around Christmas we hoped we’d be in and around the top six, to give us a platform to push on in the second half of the season. So where we are now, third with a game in hand, is probably a bit ahead where we thought we would be.

    "So overall, thus far, cautiously with fingers crossed, I’d give it a good 7.5/10. There are things that could be perfect but that would be a bit greedy and a bit presumptuous. If you’d given us this, on and off the pitch, six months ago we’d have taken it and taken it gladly."

    Methven has hailed the contribution of managing director Tony Davison in raising the club's revenue streams, as well as the 'tough work' done by Donald and director Neil Fox in reducing the onerous cost base.

    "The work that Stewart and his team have done on reducing the cost base is a tough, unpleasant grind," Methven said.

    "There's no joy in it, just an understanding that it has to be done.

    "Last year the cost base was £64million, this year the projected cost was £50million. The projected revenue was £15million. So that would have been an operating loss of around £35million for us.

    "Yes there is the parachute payment but that had been promised out on debt reduction and a massive transfer overhang. When players were sold it was for cash up front, like Jordan Pickford for instance, but when they were bought it was over a period of time. So we ended up with an overhang of about £23million.

    "Closing that £35million gap, then, was a necessity. It was unbelievably unsustainable. The cost base is now about £28million, and it needs to come down to about £22million.

    "So while Stewart and Neil Fox have worked on that costbase, Tony [Davison] and I have worked on the revenue side, and Tony has done a phenomenal job. He is a real unsung hero.

    "The projected revenues are up from £15million to £18.5million and rising all the time. We hope that we can get it to about a £4million loss for this year, which isn’t perfect but is a big, big leap forward."

    The new regime have overseen a sea change in the mood on Wearside.

    Attendances are on the rise (and Methven is keen for them to rise further still), and the popular summer concerts are set to return to the Stadium of Light.

    Jack Ross and his squad are building bonds with the supporters and edging towards the top of the table.

    In the near future, the January window looms.

    Supporters will be keen to see the squad strengthened and key youngsters, whose contracts expire next summer, retained.

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    Methven says that outgoings will be required but also added that Ross is quite right to hope that he will be supported by Donald in the market.

    The Black Cats have been facing a difficult balancing act to stay within the EFL's Salary Cost Management Protocol regulations since the summer and that was compounded when a number of high-earners did not land expected moves away from the club.

    The rules prevent clubs spending more than 60% of their projected turnover on wages, with the threat of an embargo for teams who did not comply.

    That will limit January business but Methven is expecting 'tweaks' to the squad ahead of the second half of the season.

    "The negotiations [with young players] are ongoing, I can’t comment further than that," he said.

    "We’re absolutely committed to keeping them. Ultimately, of course, if a player out of contract isn’t going to sign one, then we have to click into a different mode which is protecting our financial position. But the current mode is we want to keep them, we absolutely want to keep them.

    "In terms of January, in this division, we have SCMP rather than FFP. When we came in, the Football League said, 'look, on technical grounds, because of your parachute payment, you could spend vast sums [on wages] and still stay within SCMP grounds. But we can see from looking at your books that it would bankrupt you, because the parachute payments are already required for these black holes'.

    "So we had to sign off on an FFI (Future Financial Information agreement), which was our business plan and included how we would bring our finances under control. Two of the assumptions in that were that Papy Djilobodji and Didier Ndong would leave the club. So them leaving does not mean there is money to spend in January. For us to be able to bring in more players, our current wage outgoings will have to be reduced. It is as simple as that.

    “The Football League will be more lenient with contracts for the younger players because they can see while wages might go up, it is good business, it is responsible. Taking on four players on 500 grand a year [without outgoings], would not be.

    "The funds are fine. Stewart and Juan are ambitious football people, they will naturally want to achieve promotion and will see it is an investment. But we are in a bit of a bind and Jack is aware of that. But at the same time, one or two players leaving in January would be perfectly natural, and we have quite a big squad, certainly by League One standards.

    "I don't think Jack wants many more numbers but like most managers I'm sure he does want to tweak in certain areas, and I'm sure in the board and Stewart he would find a willing listener."

    While the demands of this season already have shown that promotion from League One will not be easily achieved (Donald and Methven themselves set the play-offs as a target), the executive director thinks Sunderland can travel a long way without ruinous financial spending.

    That applies not just to January but beyond, whether Sunderland get back to the second tier or not.

    Should they achieve that goal, however, he says the club will have a strong playing budget for that level.

    "The idea that there is a massive gap between the top of League One and the bottom of the Championship is pretty much disproven every year," he said.

    "A lot of teams go up, don’t change their team that much and end up in mid-table.

    "The Championship is a great league, a competitive league, but I don’t think it is radically better or much faster than what we saw at Doncaster.

    "At Oxford, just before the end of the season a while back, we beat Millwall 3-0 at the Den. Millwall went up through the play-offs, kept their squad and had a good season.

    "So, first of all, if you do go up,, then you tend to have the wind at your backs and a young, hungry, physical side. To then be competitive [at the top end], and we would be ambitious and want to compete at the top end, then you want to bring in those players who give you a bit extra.

    "So, if you look at our wage bill now, it is around £14.5 million. The average in this league is about £3 million. As we go into the Championship, you’re roughly looking at a £10 million rise in revenue, so your playing budget would rise accordingly. That budget would then be top ten, and then you take into account your Category 1 Academy which is producing players who are viable for that level.

    "If we were lucky enough for it [promotion] to happen this season, then we would also have our final parachute payment. We would be able to use that over and above plugging some of the black holes, as it has been in recent times."

    Central to this vision, regardless of the division, is that focusing on and reconnecting with Sunderland's core support can drive it back to the top.

    That was something neglected when TV money from the Premier League was vast.

    "The size of the club and the potential, anywhere outside the top six [of the Premier League], it should be the other clubs having to themselves into debt to compete with us," he said.

    "That’s where have to get to. Of course, if you ever get to mid-table in the Premier League, then there's a decision on what you want to do, whether to push for Europe or whatever. That’s for many, many years down the track.

    "Until that point, no one can tell me that we need to plunge into debt to compete.

    "Our natural revenues are so much higher than most that if we run it tight and hard [we can compete].

    "Going back to our first six months, I hope fans will have felt that we’re running it very hard on their behalf. We’re happy to upset third parties and be unpopular if it is best for the club, the fans, the city. That's our responsibility and is really important to us.

    "We won’t be ripped off, and I think the business we did in the summer and the sales we made will come to be seen as good business.

    "We want people to look at it with admiration, and say, 'no free ride there, you get nothing from that club'.

    "At that point we will be protecting the fan's money because the vast majority of that revenue we talk about is the fans’ money, and a bit from Stewart!

    "But it's about stretching that money as far as possible."

    In six months time, Sunderland's immediate future will be a lot clearer.

    But they have already come a long way in a six month period that has challenged and enthralled in equal measure.
     
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  2. Teessidemackem

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    Catts and Oviado need to go unfortunately.

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    True story.
     
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    Good read. And reassuring to see we've got good owners now who care for the long term viability of the club.
     
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    Read this on ALS website and was very impressed by what he said and his obvious enthusiasm for the game and the work that needs done in the future.
    We appear to be in safe hands.
     
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    Absolutely. I think The players we have for both respective positions can fill the gaps left. Hume is as good a left back as I’ve seen playing lb for us (as our own player - not loaned) for some time. James seems capable too. McGeouch... jury still out but he’s improved. Issue we’ll have shifting both us whether anyone will pay them the money they want.
     
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    I honestly think catts will stay, he’s playing his best injury free football he has for many a year and the gaffa likes him.
     
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    Have to say I watched him today and would like to know @clockstander opinion. He was the best midfielder on the pitch today. Good on the ball and good off it. Passing was excellent and can’t see how anyone has anything to say against him. McGeouch was poor again. He just hasn’t convinced me at all. Gave away a ball which did exactly what Cattermole did midweek. Set the oppo on the attack.
     
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    If an offer comes in I don’t think we could resist
     
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    My opinion has not changed , one swallow does not make a summer, even an Indian one, which I sincerely hope this is. I do agree about McGeoch who has been underwhelming so far, but he has room to improve, which is more than can honestly be said about Reckless Eric. <ok>
     
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    I wanted the opinion of him on Saturday not an overarching opinion clockstander. I don't expect one game to make a difference (that said, he's been our best midfielder this season comfortably so I can;t work out how you haven't changed your opinions) - unless you can tell me who's been better?
     
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    Well that's not fair, Marcus, 'cos he obviously can't tell you who's been better, can he <doh>
     
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    He is a weak link imo and I stand by it, end of story as I am sick to death of this debate which is going absoloutely no where.
     
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    Only because you're refusing to answer our questions - you tell me who has been better in central midfield than him this season and I will leave it - sounds like the words of someone struggling to justify the opinion to me

    Power? 7 games of suspension due to stupidity and hot headedness - has some quality about him but it's no good sat watching from the stands
    McGeouch? Shown a little improvement but still nowhere near the quality of Cattermole
    O'Nien? Hot headed and rash from the little we've seen
    Honeyman? Plays further forward and still hasn't looked anywhere near Cattemole's quality

    Who else? I have names all 5 of our CMs and Cattermole has been the stand out. You call our strongest midfielder a weak link - someone has an "anti-cattermole" head they cannot change no matter how he plays. Seen quite a few of them this season but you're the only one who he hasn't yet convinced
     
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    For me Honeyman has been as good as Catts this season albeit not in the same position and Power looks like our best CM although his suspensions have counted against him.

    I know not everyone shares my opinion on Honeyman but I think he's underrated.

    If I had to pick one player though as our best CM so far this season it would be Catts because George is more of an attacker and Power has barely played in comparison. We're seeing the class that Catts has in his reading of the game and passing range that we haven't seen much of recently.
     
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    I think Honeyman does a lot of work unnoticed. His harrying and chasing down is imperative for the team. I just think his final ball is often lacking and have only been occasionally impressed with him so far. I'm not sure he's captain material. Cattermole is but I wouldn't give him the arm band - strange situation!!

    Power and Cattermole would have to be our first choice pairing when both available - O'Nien has looked better recently and McGeouch looked OK last week in the away game but he was really poor on Saturday.

    Actually thought Honeyman did really well slotting in alongside Catts when McGeouch went off at the weekend too.

    I'm gutted as I thought McGeouch looked really good pre-season - he obviously has quality but is struggling a little. Hopefully it will come and we will have a strong central midfield with him, Cattermole, Power and O'Nien in there (as you say, I see Honeyman as more attacking)
     
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    I wonder what gigs we are gonna get

    Fleetwood Mac are touring next year.......
     
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    I agree, I am also very impresssed with Robson and if he could get a run of games as did Honeyman last year he could be a revelation, but for me the real star at Sunderland in midfield will be Mumba. He is my long shot, as was Denver Hume this time last year, and I think he is even better than Denver at the same stage, Both Ethan and Bali have played at first team level this season already and both did well, but need game time to develop.
     
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