Master Minded

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OddDog

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I would like to get some opinions from forumites on what the best plan of action would be with Master Minded this season. I think the reason this question has been going round my brain all day is, strangely enough, the death of Ginger McCain earlier this week. That sad event had me reviewing those great triumphs of Rummy and of course his dramatic triumph over Crisp in 1973.

Now Crisp had made his name as a 2-miler in Australia, winning the Hiskens Steeplechase in 1969 and 1970, and in 1971 he won the Queen Mother Champion Chase at the Cheltenham Festival. A year later he was aimed at the Cheltenham Gold Cup but finished 5th behind Glencaraig Lady, having patently failed to stay. Notwithstanding this, connections aimed him at the 1973 National, a race in which 2 milers had a good record because the first half of the race was usually run at a steady pace which allowed horse to hunt around before getting into the race proper in the latter stages. Of course Crisp, famously, had his own ideas about how to run the National and he put in the most astonishing round of jumping ever seen over the National fences, coming to the last still 15 lengths clear of Red Rum. But his efforts had cost him and he was caught on the run-in by Rummy to become the unluckiest loser in the history of the race.

And this is where I come to Master Minded. This horse is probably the greatest jumper of a fence I can recall seeing. The way he clears the obstacle with the minimum of fuss is a joy to watch, and even where he has made the odd error it has usually been the result of over-zealousness by his jockey. Could Master Minded hunt round Aintree, lobbing along and jumping for fun, before pouncing with that murderous turn of foot to win the National??

Let us look at his options:

1) Stay at 2 miles - Beaten by Big Zeb (2010) and Sizing Europe (2011) he does not appear to have retained the speed to cope with the very best over 2 miles.

2) Campaign at 2m4f - Old Roan, The Amlin Chase, Peterborough Chase, Ryanair, Melling Chase? With all due respect to Monet's Garden and Albertas Run this is hardly the stuff of legends

3) Grade 1 Staying Chases - King George, Gold Cup, Aintree Bowl? Surely Long Run looks nailed on to dominate this scene and with young staying chasers coming through like Weapons Amnesty, can Master Minded really go Gold Cup pace over the Gold Cup distance? The evidence to date suggests no.

4) A programme aimed at getting him to the Grand National. Maybe a series of staying chases where his official rating could be "tuned" to get him into the race with a chance? I'm not saying he could win off 172 but if that could be brought down to the upper 150s or 160 ish could he go close to winning the National??

I would be very interested to hear people's thoughts on the best and/or most likely route for Master Minded this season. Cheers.
 
Interesting thought Oddy. Don't forget that whilst the legendary Red Rum was carrying 10stone 5lb when he just got up to beat Crisp, Crisp was shouldering no less than 12stone (a weight no longer allowed in the National). Whilst Master Minded is no Crisp, it is very unlikely that he would come up against something as good as Red Rum, carrying 10.5. So, although it wouldn't have even occurred to me, it isn't an unreasonable thought.

Incidentally did you know that Crisp and Red Rum met in what turned out to be a match at Doncaster the following year and Crisp won by 10l?
 
I did know that Ron, yes. And I forgot to mention weight and I think this is what makes the proposition with the National even more interesting. In Grade 1 races Master Minded has been carrying 11st 10lbs - which is the top weight in the Grand National. So it's not like he's never carried that weight before. Yes there will be good horses carrying less but his accurate and fast jumping will surely compensate ?
 
I suspect the Peteborough Chase will be followed by Kempton on boxing day. This will decide the programme for the remainder of 2011-2012. If Master Minded wins, or is a good second to Long Run in the King George, his record at Cheltenham should allow him a chance at the Gold Cup. He would likely be given the typical 'Nicholls' build up to the festival; possibly the Aon Chase at Newbury.
If however the three miles of the King George proves too far I think the Ryanair followed by the Melling at Aintree would be the plan. I do not believe he will return to two mile championship races.

To add to this discussion I feel that two or three of last seasons novice chasers (Quito De La Roque, Burton Point and Time For Rupert) could join Long Run and a fit again Weapons Amnesty in challenging for the top staying chases.
 
I think the first half of his season has already been decided. Nicholls has said that he will run in the same race at Ascot that he won last year, the Amlin Chase, before heading to Kempton for the King George. It appears that connections are set on this plan of attack, and then deciding 'what happens next' after that.

I would doubt very much whether the Grand National has entered their thoughts and would be very surprised to see him targeted at that route. With the changes to the course it is not the race it was and you need to stay every yard of the 4m4f trip. Master Minded is a definite non-stayer in my book. The other thing to note is that, in my opinion, Master Minded is too 'good' a jumper of a regulation fence to take on the unique test of Aintree. He is incredibly slick and fast over his fences, but that also means he is low. To jump round Aintree would be a very different test.

If you ask me he'll be in either the Gold Cup or the Ryanair, probably the latter, come Cheltenham, depending on how the King George experiment goes.
 
Dont see what i could add to your question Oddy than whats been already said, but i would also agree with you over the jumping talents of Master Minded and that of course brings into account how different the jumps are at Aintree. And as Zenyatta has pointed out this maybe the reason why the Grand National may not be took on...

Interesting points, and a good little poser for the coming jumps season...
 
I have to agree with you oddy, the group ones I think will a be a step to far. With the likes of Weapons amnesty coming back from a season out, long run improving all the time and more improving young horses. I dont think he will be able to stay with this lot as he is not a proven stayer, and this lot will jsut have to much pace for him. I beleive with Kauto and denman at the end of thier fantastic careers, nicholls is trying to find a horse to compete with Long run who will be a force to wreckend with - but imo Master Minded is not the solution,
 
Oddy, Two and a half milers have won the National eg. Specify and Gay Trip(one of the best winners ever)- and of course Crisp went so close (if Pitman had ridden him like Pat Taaffe rode Gay Trip, he'd have hacked up). Also, those three "shorter distance horses" I've just mentioned were tremendous jumpers- which, coupled with their class, enabled them to get home.
However, since the fences have become easier, I believe stamina has become more important.Times are faster than they used to be, because the fences are easier and can be jumped a bit more quickly. Two and a half milers don't win it any more.
Re. Master Minded, as you say, he's a superb jumper and can still win top 2-2.5 mile races when he's on song. Personally I'd have a go at the King George with him. Kempton's an easy track but its fences suit a good jumper; it should be within his compass and I think he'd have a great chance, especially if he went there fresh. It all depends how Nicholls and Clive Smith map out his and Kauto Star's programmes.
My view is that he shouldn't be aimed at the National.
 
MM is a real headscratcher now.
This comes from having a horse so good at such a young age, I remember when he won his second Champion Chase it was almost an anti-climax as he 'only' won by 7 lengths, but of course compared to the year before thsi performance was a disappointment.
The handicapper is always slow in dropping ratings for top class horses and I can't see this horse ever gaining a low enough mark to win a handicap, and I am not convinced he'd get anywhere near being a National horse.
One race I think he could nick is the King George, a flat 3m should suit him, but I don't see him staying 3m at championship pace at any other track so would rule out the Gold Cup though OddDogs suggestion of the Aintree Bowl could work as we know the horse seems to like Aintree, another flat track and good ground is right up his street, may be worth him bypassing Cheltenham for a Spring raid at Aintree and Punchestown....
 
Thanks all and good point raised on the easier fences at Aintree and the quicker times - I guess you just can't afford to "hunt round" the first half of the race any more as you would be 60 lengths down. Looks like 2m4f - 3m will be his target, but only 3m where it is easier to get (Kempton etc).

Wherever he goes it will be tremendous to see this flamboyant jumper in action. His jumping down the Newbury straight when he won the Game Spirit Chase (obviously excluding tha extraordinary blip at the last) was quite simply breathtaking <ok>