Do you think the situation with Leicester last season can be compared to Manchester United this season? Have our owners actions shown that good things can come to those who wait? Make no bones about it, Manchester United are having an awful season. Moyes just looks clueless, and some of his decisions just seem very strange. Is he out of his depth? I'm sure last season, there were Leicester fans calling for Pearsons head, questioning his decisions, and wondering if the man even had the capability to ever drag us out of the Championship, no matter how long we would give him. I'm certain nobody this time last season would have even contemplated us being top of the table, and by quite some margin at that. My thought for the day... Do you think Manchester United could "do a Leicester"? Or are the two not comparable? How long do you think Moyes will get? Think they will be sat top of the Premier League next season, thinking "I'm glad we stuck with Moyes through that terrible run"?
Not comparable in my book, they are inconsistent, last year we were near the top of the league and had a terrible 2nd half of the season, Man U on the other hand have been hit and miss all season. Pearson is a good lesson for Chairman though, look what happens when you aren't always tipping over the apple cart! If Ferguson was still in charge, no way would they would be considered the worst team in the final 8 of the Champions League. Should they fire Moyes though? no, no manager would have been able to replicate what they did last year with the squad they have, not even Ferguson. Have cruised along for a long time on Fergusons management, never really needed to spend big, Ferguson wasn't looking to build a squad past last season imo and now they will haveto play catchup. Moyes will get them playing well once he has his team, i think theres a few there at the moment that aren't interested any more, given time he will get things going right for them. It didn't go swimmingly for Ferguson when he started. I think he will get 2 1/2 - 3 seasons to get them back into the top 4 and challenging, but less if theres no improvement in the summer of 2015.
yes they have been in lge 2 before he will get time if he wins the champions lge but with out that then he will get 10 or so games next season to see if things are better than this because he will struggle to get top draw players with out European football the name David Moyes isn't held in the same esteem as SAF or Pep or Mourihnio, Arsene etc. although they have the money the Glaziers will not want to see too much spent i think thats why he is there they probably though he could do it on a budget a lot of the key players are getting on and they don't seem to have addressed this for some time (some too old even for DQPR) i think he is tactically too afraid of losing big games to attack he hasn't got the same presence as SAF to handle the big names and to make the difference at half time he has a strike force that dont play well together teams no longer fear playing at the theater of d reams (why name your groud after a band) and finally because SAF is sitting in the background no one likes a back seat driver i think that they wil lose a lot of fans in their heartland such as the far east etc if they are not winning and this plus the loss of champions league money will start to hamper spending aswell
To get champions league quality players when you aren't in the champions league, Man U are going to haveto bend over and take whatever demands those players want. 5live last night said it best, Van Persies contract is up soon and for him to stay, hes likely to want wages that match Rooneys.
There were indeed people or so called fans calling for Pearsons head some of whome now post on this forum singing his praises, commonly known as " Good time Charlies " or Fosses et al spring to mind Jack ! I for one have always stood by Nigel & his staff, realising what a mammouth task he had & kept my Faith in him !!
That, Mick, is why the man in the street should never manage a football club! You, Proud and I (and one or two others) were among the most vociferous supporters of Nige in the closed season, but football is such a fickle mistress that we could well have been left with egg on our faces. Although Nigel had his knockers (opps pardon!), I don't remember anyone threatening to rip up their season ticket if he stayed. People have stood by the club, even if they don't agree with the board's decisions, therefore everyone deserves to bask in our current glories - no matter how wide of the mark their opinions may have been in hindsight!
As with most of your posts LG....spot on IMHO. MON never forgot those hecklers & jeerers calling for his head after the shakey start to his tenure here & I still believe it made the decision to go to Celtic an easier one to make than it would have been had fan support been solid throughout ! I could dig out the thread titled " He has to go for this " but wont as I dont want to start a pissing contest but with my tongue pushed in my cheek whilst reading the Nigel Pearson Menu for Managerial success , I would ask Filberto & AKCJ if the Humble Pie was as sweet as it should be ! lmao.
I personally, and several others on here too, have happily admitted to having been proved wrong by Nigel Pearson this season - that's not to say that I'll ever understand some of the decisions made during that disastrous run last season (i.e persevering with Michael Keane) - but at no point did I or others show any disloyalty to our club ... a club that many of those who were critical, Barwell and myself for two, have supported for probably more years than you have been on this earth ... as such, I personally am pretty much pissed off with any fresh behind the ears smart arse ever aiming a label like 'Good time Charlies" in my direction or the direction of other long term supporters... in the forty-four years I have been going to watch in person the 'good times' (if by that you mean successful) have only accounted for a rather small fraction ... now I'll be supporting them again next year, come what may, and hopefully long after Nigel Pearson has left the club ... but whilst he is manager, he will have my full support ... ... and "so called fans" ... that too needs to be put in context with years of support, home and away, and it's relevance will always be to the club first and foremost and to individual managers secondly ... because managers come and go ...
LOL...... "fresh behind the ears " I like that ha ha. FF you really should have done your homework on me bud, Im 51 years old mate & have been supporting City, home & away for the best part of 46 of them. You see you seem to be following the same route with me as you did with NP & appear to be unwittingly ignorant to the wider picture which surprises me really because on the whole you appear to be a very well educated & knowledgeable bloke with a good sense of humour. Also your loyalty to our club is unquestionable ! I will also admit labelling you a " Good Time Charlie " was OTT & out of order, so for that I apologise whole heartedly Filbo ! May be I should have put that you may have been a tad short sighted to the task Nige had to deal with at that time in getting rid of the disruptive high earning "Journeymen" from our clubs ranks, as well as laying the foundations & ultimately building a top quality side able to hold its own in the best league in the world. UP THE CITY !
Mick - apologies accepted - and hindsight is a wonderful thing. Let me add a little perspective on my thoughts as to where I see the club (and indeed Nigel Pearson) right now. I have been pleasantly surprised by the turnaround, not just that we are winning and are where we are in terms of our league position but more so by the style of football being played - now if we continue in that vein than Nigel has won me over good and proper and I won't be calling for his head next season if we are losing games, provided he sticks to that ethos of football. But finally a bit of perspective - assuming we go up - next season is a whole different ball game and Nigel does still have a lot to do to convince that he is capable at the top table - so far when we have come up against Prem teams under his tenure we have been found wanting tactically (Fulham aside) - but for the reasons I've given above, he'll have my support as long as he continues trying to play attacking, attractive high-tempo football - but the fates of Malky McKay and Ian Holloway this season are evidence that it might not all be plain sailing. I am optimistic about next season due to the relative age of the squad and I'm already more excited by the signing of Mahrez than I have been over a CIty signing for many a year ... but Nige may also need to bring in a couple of better known players, still in the prime of their careers and show that he can manage that type of player too (Wesley Schneider will do for me in the short term ) .. that is still a question mark on his managerial skills ... but this squad now, overall, is far superior to that of Mickey Adams and I would also say, overall, better than the one that Martin O'Neil went up with - MON's purchases both in the close season and during the season as a whole were, in the event, inspired ... ... it is a very good time to be a Leicester City supporter ... but as experience has shown, we should savour every minute whilst we can.
How is this thread still going..i havent read it al but facts are Man Utd are in the Quarter finals of the Champions League If thats a bad season then please sign me and QPr up
I felt that Nige had taken the club as far as he could last season and so I thought a change was needed. Of course, in hindsight, I was wrong. But hindsight is 20/20, nobody saw this coming after May.
That's the thing... Do you think things will ever get better for Moyes, or is this the limit of his ability? Do you give him more time?
Hmm dropping out of the CL is a downward spiral... Miss out one season, miss out on revenue the next, can't attract the same calibre of player with no European football (or Europa League)... Look at Liverpool, took them a while to turn things around and be back fighting for the title.
fair point Jack, but MUFC are already one of the bigggest global brands ever. One season outside the CL may hurt inancially but the merchandising and support willl still be thier. thing is it would put massive pressure on the players if they miss out this year. They simly have to qualify and pull out all stops for the next season. For me: I've never rated Moyes as a good manager and he's lived on the imaginery "no money no development" thing Everton have been playing better football than the past 10 years now he has gone. SO..the consipacy theorists view is... If you were SAF and held in high acclaim as the best manager in this country / Prem ever..would you recommend / employ a better or worse replacement?..bearing in mind the self publicism and attention he's received over the past (20) years? I'd say worse...
18 points behind the leaders Chelsea (1 point more than our lead over QPR!!) 7th position, not going to qualify for Champions League next season (possibly not even Europa league!!!) will not progress past Bayern Munich in the CL so yup, a pretty naff season for United no matter which way we look at it.
So we are saying that if they come home with the CL trophy that would be bad then... Please just clarify for me......HOW....WHY...? thanks.....!!
If United come home with the CL trophy it will salvage a season that has been poor by their high standards - the ultimate irony will be if they win the CL against all expectations (rather like Liverpool in Istanbul) and deny a fourth placed finishing Liverpool a CL place to boot ... is all that possibl?e ... yes ... is it likely? ... no. United's defensive frailities will i suspect be their undoing against Bayern ... they do have offensive players that can hurt Bayern mind ... Rooney is offensive ... Ashley Young even more so
