The bookies odds on a change at ER is up and down like a whores drawers. All we know is that PH has been summoned to have meetings for most of this week about his plans, the clubs plans etc.But when Big Sam got sacked many of us hoped it would signal that Hecky was being sacked and Big Sam brought in, because in fairness we will never get out of this league until we get a top manager and give him a few quid. Big Mick still hasn't put pen to paper at Sunderland, WBA or Barnsley and its well known that Orta and Kinnear have spoken to Mick recently. So on a personal level would love Big Sam and Big Mick would be my next choice, but will it happen? Smart money says Sam will be back in the Prem and can see him going back to West Ham because they have been shyte since he left and now Moyes got sacked within hours of Big Sam...... So who would you think the smart money is on at the bookies to take the Leeds job? Jap Staam has now moved into favourite position, why? well we know Orta spoke to him in the Summer and he is available, but wasnt he available before spending half a mil on Hecky? Love the Summer
The bookies had Wilder from the blades as 1/4 for the Sunderland job yesterday... I had presumed on that basis that he is nailed on?
There are some stupid odds and some stupid people being backed. Staam and Big Mick are possibles but Big Sam not in the running according to bookies Pearson 3rd fav and the rest seem stupid like Ranieri or Hiero The thing is it could well be announced this week that after fruitful talks all this week PH has now gone on holiday and left his list of players he wants. I would then have to suck it up and give the man another go until it proved he wasn't right for the job and Radz should have done something about it. You never know he may end up as our best ever manager, but boy does he have a lot to make up for
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Someone high up from Everton was interviewed on the radio about Big Sam's sacking. He used a phrase along the lines of 'Sam appeared to have put his feet up as though he was ready to retire', implying his efforts were half-hearted at best. Sour grapes, even he saved them? Possibly. But what if he's right, & Sam came to us (like Warnock did) as a wage thief. It's certainly a point to ponder, as he's already officially retired at least once, hasn't he?
If the Everton were any good they wouldn't have fallen into the relegation zone under a so called top International manager. Sam did really well if he had his pipe and slippers with him. Dont accept that at all, he took them from the bottom to 8th 16 points clear of the relegation zone. cant do that on coasting mate. He sorted them out and got some of them playing again but dropped Rooney when needed even introduced a couple of kids. The Everton Board and fans cannot try and justify what they've done Phil Hay is an Everton fan as most of his family are season ticket holders, he was surprised a few weeks ago and said he told some family members to be careful what they wished for
Big Sam is a bit of a rough diamond that's why Everton got rid IMO and another reason why he will not appear at LU.can just imagine him telling Orta to do one. Now wouldn't that be worth something.
Whilst not knocking Allardyce or anything, just wanted to point out a slight discrepancy in your post Doc. When Allardyce was appointed Everton Manager, the day after his appointment they beat Hudderfield, which moved Everton into ninth position, so after one day and one game in charge, Everton were already in the top half of the table, and 8 points clear of the relegation zone after a total of 15 games played, giving an average of points earned per game of 1.20. For the next 23 games Everton earned 31 points which is an average of 1.34 points per game, their average points per game for the whole season was 1.289. If Allardyce had been in charge the beginning of the season, they would've ended up on 51 points, meaning they wouldve still finished 8th and earned the same prize money. If Allardyce hadnt been appointed and Everton continued to average 1.2 points per game, they would have finished on 46 points and finished 9th in the league, a point behind Leicester.
QUOTE="Aski, post: 11757421, member: 1021217"]Whilst not knocking Allardyce or anything, just wanted to point out a slight discrepancy in your post Doc. When Allardyce was appointed Everton Manager, the day after his appointment they beat Hudderfield, which moved Everton into ninth position, so after one day and one game in charge, Everton were already in the top half of the table, and 8 points clear of the relegation zone after a total of 15 games played, giving an average of points earned per game of 1.20. For the next 23 games Everton earned 31 points which is an average of 1.34 points per game, their average points per game for the whole season was 1.289. If Allardyce had been in charge the beginning of the season, they would've ended up on 51 points, meaning they wouldve still finished 8th and earned the same prize money. If Allardyce hadnt been appointed and Everton continued to average 1.2 points per game, they would have finished on 46 points and finished 9th in the league, a point behind Leicester.[/QUOTE] Good points. Imagine what Heckingbottom would have done with them
Allardyce sees himself far and away above a championship team manager so that would be the first reason he's never coming here. Aski, excellent myth busting, Everton were never going down but Sam has got another huge bonus for keeping them in the league. Don't get me wrong, 8th is a great finish and he is bloody excellent for me as a manager. His downfall it seem is his style of football, both West Ham and Everton supporters wanted him out because of it. I'd take him because he would get us promoted.
Carvalahal has left Swansea too today so reckon Stoke or Swansea are moving in on Big Mick or Moyes or Sam
Its now Saturday 19th May and all the meetings with Hecky have ended. The retained list has been published and we have heard zero from the club about Hecky and there are no more rumors than there was a week ago. I'm guessing that Hecky carries on unless for some reason the club are waiting until Monday when the Warrington fight has ended before announcing it. It would work if Hecky was sacked yesterday and the weekend was used to get Big Mick or whoever signed up and do it all at the same time. So we wait and see if a presser gets called for Monday? If not we hope a list of targets has been agreed and Hecky's normal 4-4-2 preference is catered for, and Hecky learns how to play 4-5-1 which means we need a target man getting service and a couple of solid DMs to back Forshaw. A strange Summer about to happen because fans expectations have skyrocketed yet again because of the Hernandez chase and Radz saying he will break the wage cap for the right signing, and we can compete with anyone for Hernandez.
4-4-2? Therein lies the problem, methinks. Orta has fashioned a successful u23 side by buying in players suited to 4-2-3-1. That's his vision, and that's why we persisted with it last season. Wonder who decides the tactics for this season? I've always considered Orta to be the big cheese who determines tactics, etc. It's almost like he's the manager who doesn't get his hands dirty. If we go 4-4-2, I think it will signal the end of his absolute power. Interesting.
Think this is the real problem WJ as that squad was assembled to play a certain way and the academy coaches doing exactly that and finished up with all teams flying except the first team. Hecky prefers 4-4-2 but tha means a major upheaval at TA, so wonder if hes been asked to change his tactics or lose his job?
So as Sunderland bring in an unknown Scottish manger, that means some top managers are still in play with no job announcements yet. moore got the WBA job so we still have Moyes Big Mick Big Sam Ranieri all still looking for a berth. Where are they all going I wonder
Bookies have closed the book on Ranieri joining Leeds and also Inzaghi had moved back into the frame? None of this makes any sense as He would have been sacked a week ago, unless he has been told he is still under contract until next month so keep quiet? According to Phil the meetings between the club and Hecky were not brilliant
Whatever we think of Heck, this touting around of his job whilst still in post is a disgusting way to treat him. I don't know if reports are true, but someone is leaking something to the press and with no word from the club to put a stop to them I guess we can draw our own conclusions. Also, if true, Heck has been completely undermined that `i think they will have to get rid. Of the managers mentioned, I think Ranieri would be a disaster in this division. MM football will be dire and I doubt we could afford Sam or that he'd want to drop to the championship, though of three he would be most likely to succeed imo, but we would need to have a big run round in players as we don't have the sort that could play 'Big Sam's style'.
