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Discussion in 'Plymouth' started by mexijan, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. mexijan

    mexijan Active Member

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    Read today comments that he would consider/like to come to Plymouth if the opportunity arises. Another one who has a lot of good things to say about Fletcher too. So is he just looking to extend his stay, get back in the fold at Barnsley or possibly a full time contract? I think he would be good addition to the squad if possible.
     
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  2. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    He isn't on loan from Barnsley mexijan. I read that as well and it is difficult to know with footballers whether they are sincere or just after a contract somewhere. I would have thought he was being paid more than Argyle could afford at Burnley for not playing for them. But, if he is to have a career then he will have to move on as he isn't getting any games there. If we could get him full time then I think we should. It is strange how they all seem to sing the praises of Fletcher though. I just don't see it in matches at home I'm afraid. I wish I could be less sceptical.
     
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  3. Plymjools

    Plymjools Active Member Forum Moderator

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    I think he genuinely likes it down here. On Saturday when the Devonport End started chanting " sign him up, sign him up, sign him up " he was grinning from ear to ear !
     
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  4. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Some are saying that he doesn't seem as sharp as last season.........if he want's a move down here he isn't going to say Fletcher's crap is he ?........and if he want's to put pressure on Burnley to give him a better contract this could either get it or get him released for a small fee.........on the otherhand who would want to leave a Championship side to join a fourth tier team.....if Fletcher want's him he should play him up front instead of elsewhere.
     
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  5. notDistantGreen

    notDistantGreen Well-Known Member

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    Mexijan, please realise that the opinion of fans with an anti-Fletcher axe to grind but who don't actually know him far outweigh those of players who work with him everyday but are merely seeking to ingratiate themselves even though they have little intention of joining such a lowly club. That's a fair summary of these posts isn't it? Please pay attention.
     
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  6. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    That's a bit unfair notdistant. I do not see the results or the football to match the opinion that players are giving. Sorry but that is a fact. He may be the greatest thing since sliced bread on the training ground as far as players are concerned but the results so far don't make my comments for example biased against Fletcher.

    I have heard or read all sorts of bull comments from people who want to obtain something for themselves. Politicians are excellent at "Backing the Leader" when in reality they would gladly stab them multiple times in the back if they could. People in life are mercenary so why pretend otherwise. Given the bull we are fed daily by all sorts of people then is it a wonder that people are sceptical.

    I would sign MacDonald and contrary to this supposed opinion that he has lost something this season in my opinion that is cobblers. If this opinion is coming from posts on ATD then everything, no matter what it is about Argyle wise, is doomed to failure or there is something wrong with it. That site is for professional Argyle moaners who, even if there is no factual proof of something, have to think the worst if it is Argyle related. The mirror image of pasoti who blow trumpets about everything Argyle.
     
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  7. mexijan

    mexijan Active Member

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    The last few games he has been involved a high proportion of our goals so if he isn´t at his best all the better. I know he prefers playing as an out and striker but he does have the ability to deliver a good cross as well, hopefully he will sign or extend loan. If not Saturday will be his last game I think.
    Sensible I maybe green through and through but I am not that green!! I do appreciate things are said to feather peoples beds however I just feel the talk out of Home Park from the players is more positive than it has been for a longtime.

    NDG sorry I can´t play with you anymore you get me into trouble <laugh> ....but yes I know.

    My knowledge of Scotland is limited I must admit Barsnley/Burnley is there a difference?
     
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  8. notDistantGreen

    notDistantGreen Well-Known Member

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    I carefully didn't mention names Sensible as I've been hauled over the coals for that only recently but of the 2 comments I welded together, I'll agree that a majority would agree with yours.

    However, there is a consistent theme of players saying positive things about Fletcher, how hard the training is [if that's a good thing] etc etc. In Madjo's case, I certainly thing he went beyond what's normal and MacDonald's comments seemed quite warm too [although I expect warn bull**** usually is].

    Just for once though, can't we ALL take this as neutral as a minimum or positive if we're lucky rather than disparaging the player & the manager?

    Good news about Ridsdale eh? We all had him taped I think.
     
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  9. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm not arguing that the consistent theme from players is that Fletcher is popular with them and is doing good work. If they aren't after a contract then there is no reason for them to come out with any of their comments. As said I'm sure on the training ground he is good for them. It doesn't translate into performances on the pitch during serious matches though. We have improved and the play is looking better. The results are average at best. One does not therefore completely back up the other. As Gat said, I think MacDonald likes it here and it wasn't hard to persuade him to come back for another stint. If he wants to play regularly then I don't think he would be hard to talk into signing for us. He doesn't have to sell himself to Fletcher either. The more MacDonald plays I think the better he will become.
     
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  10. notDistantGreen

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    I second all that Sensible, a fair statement. The frustrating thing is that it feels as though it's NEARLY there. Just a little luck in front of goal, just a couple less injuries, just a little bit better in defence and we'd be away [wasn't impressed with goalkeeping in the goal conceded at Wycombe btw, a long walkabout and then a flap].

    What I have in my mind though is that it's one thing being liked as a manager and maybe that's easy for somebody who's played recently. Being respected when tough decisions have to be made and when the chips are down on the field is another. I've no reason to think Fletcher is too pally with the players but it's always a risk for someone in that situation. We shall see.
     
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  11. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    There is one other area that we could be "a little bit better in"..... but I daren't mention it incase I upset notDistant.....I don't want to be disruptive.
     
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  12. notDistantGreen

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    You probably mean the manager himself I expect... personally, unless a manager isn't absolutely proven failure, I don't put enough faith in the impact they have to believe it's worth the cost & disruption of chopping & changing every 5 minutes.

    Fletcher hasn't proved himself to be the winner we need yet, although I do think there are signs of progress from the low-point we'd reached. That being the case, i don't believe he's a proven failure yet either. Patience is a virtue [so I'm told].
     
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  13. mexijan

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    Looks like we will be trying to extend loans of both Mac and Madjo...fingers crossed we work something out longer term.
     
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