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Which way will you vote in the EU referendum?

Poll closed Jun 26, 2016.
  1. In

    24.2%
  2. Out

    75.8%
  1. When Swans are flying

    When Swans are flying Well-Known Member

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    That's it in a nutshell Taff - these ultra lefties will ram that narrative down the throats of the electorate & people will go with it. Let's not aspire to be better, let's bring everyone down to the lost common denominator. Its the honest hard working tax-payer, especially the PAYE easy target, who will be punished for it though..
    it stinks.

    But these fvckers think you're low life scum for opposing that ideology..
     
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  2. swanseaandproud

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    Weighted Audience <laugh> Have you not watched Question normal time or the BBC News or the Tory run press with their made up stories that gets exposed by the public as lies, That is what i call weighted bias.... It is all backfiring badly for Johnson and i agree he needs to change tactics, But he will be slaughtered for all the Austerity the Tories have put on the people in the last 9 years and the cuts to all of our services and a lot more besides. He cant blame that on Labour or anyone else can he....Johnson keeps on digging himself deeper in his hole...The public has had enough and Corbyn is offering a way out where we could still leave if the public want that, but do the public have the stomach for leaving now that we know most of the facts, I honestly dont think they do now looking on social media....What will be will be but i want change and only Corbyn can give me that..
     
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  3. When Swans are flying

    When Swans are flying Well-Known Member

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    Still waiting for 1 link of proof of impending Labour landslide please..
     
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  4. Taffvalerowdy

    Taffvalerowdy Well-Known Member

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    Don’t hold your breath - he never answers.....

    Austerity resulted directly from Labour having wrecked the economy.

    If Labour wins this time, when they leave office, the Country will be bankrupt after their economic plans - austerity the next time around will be horrendous.

    The BoE has told Bank and Building Society Chairman that the quantum of capital flight/outflow from the U.K. will be mind-boggling.

    Companies will relocate their holding companies offshore, Billionaires will emigrate as will many generators of capital.

    Welcome to the European Venezuela.....
     
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  5. swanseaandproud

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    No we think you are blind and misguided. I expect most on here will vote Labour anyway by their absence to comment...<ok>
     
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  7. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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  8. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

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    socialism-cover.jpg The new “democratic socialists” want to make their followers believe that one could redistribute wealth and income and socialize a large part of the economy without harming production and productivity. They claim that a comprehensive control of the economy by the government would bring more justice and more prosperity. The democratic socialists want more planning and less market. Yet this postulate ignores that socialism does not fail by accident or circumstance. Socialism fails because it suffers from four fundamental design defects.

    • First, socialism eradicates private property and markets and thus eliminates rational calculation.
    • Second, socialism allows soft budgets, so there is no mechanism in place to discard inefficient production methods.
    • Third, abolishing private property and replacing it by the state distorts the incentives.
    • Four, the socialist system with its absence of private property and of free markets inhibits the economic coordination of the system of division of labor and capital.
    The Importance of Market Prices
    Socialism cannot bring prosperity because it destroys the market functions of private property. Under socialism, private ownership of the means of production no longer exists, and thus there are no market prices for capital goods available. Institutionally, socialism consists in abolishing the market economy and replacing it with a planned economy. By doing away with private property of the means of production, one wipes-out market information and valuation. Even if the socialist administration puts price tags on the consumer goods, and the people may own consumer goods, there is no economic orientation about the relative scarcity of capital goods.

    Many supporters of socialism suppose that business management is nothing more than a kind of registration or simple bookkeeping. Vladimir Lenin believed that the knowledge of reading and writing, and some expertise in the use of the basic arithmetic operations and some training in accounting, would be enough for the conduct of business operations. The socialists promote engineering and science, but they believe that there is no need for the entrepreneur. The regime may spend heavily on education but when there is no entrepreneurial economy, the people will stay poor, nevertheless.

    The Role of Scarcity
    The socialists ignore scarcity. They assume that a plan could stipulate the allocation of goods and services according to needs and wants. Yet the planners must answer how such a plan should find its standards of valuation. Without prices and markets, there is no orientation about which factors of production are more and which are less valuable. The socialist planners have no knowledge of the costs of the production process. Without markets, the prevailing value structure remains unknown.

    Supply in relation to want makes goods valuable. In a market economy, the relative prices show the degrees of scarcity. By observing the prices, the market participants receive the information that guides them to align their economic decisions to the market signals. The price system informs about relative scarcities. There is no need for a comprehensive system of detailed information about the origin and nature of the scarcity beyond the prices to make a rational decision. The price system reduces complexity for the individual decision maker to the single number of the price. In a market economy, the economic participants need only partial knowledge to act rationally. In capitalism, the motivation to gain profits and to avoid costs work as an incentive to behave rationally. In a market economy, the prices provide information and incentives simultaneously for the seller and the buyer.

    All production faces the problem of an almost unlimited number of ways how to produce a good. One can manufacture a commodity with very different raw materials, technologies, and combinations of the production factors and in an endless variety of designs.

    Setting Priorities
    Along with the technological feasibility of a project, one must calculate its profitability. Without costs in relation to sales, a technical evaluation makes no sense. That a project is technically viable does not mean that its realization is also worthwhile. What appears efficient from a technical point of view need not be so in terms of economic expediency. With costs left out of the consideration, socialist production is blind to the risk of producing goods that cost more than they are worth. In a socialist economy, even a benevolent dictator could not provide the right mix of goods in terms of price and quality

    Socialists suppose that to implant their rule on the economy all that is necessary is to socialize the private companies, replace the management, and install worker councils, and the new economic order would flourish. The early socialists expected that abundance would follow not least because now the workers would get what before went into the hands of the capitalists as profits. Yet the socialists ignored that the socialization of the means of production was just the beginning. They failed miserably in running the economy.

    The error of socialist economic planning is to assume that business management could also continue as before after socialist operators take over the capitalist management. While the socialist regime can train administrators and engineers and put the party members in the position of directors, these new leaders cannot decide according to relative scarcities because there is no longer a private property-based entrepreneurial price system available.

    The reality of socialism is the command and obedience. Without orientation from markets and prices, brute force rules the allocation of the goods. The claim to combine socialism and democracy is as much a fraud as the assertion that socialism would bring prosperity. Socialism’s true face is totalitarian despotism .

    It is no wonder that even a degenerate capitalism produces more prosperity than the best socialism. Therefore, the task ahead cannot be to remove capitalism in favor of socialism but to make capitalism better. In other words: make it more capitalist.
     
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  9. daimungeezer

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    Just how stupid are you? The majority on here detest ALL major parties. You just can't grasp this - no surprise - and keep prattling on about "all you Boris lovers" etc.

    I will NOT be voting Labour and I detest ALL major parties. The poor and laughable standard of politics today is very alarming.
     
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  10. swantastic

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    Don't worry dai Oracle has been wrong on every prediction he's made over the years on here. And ain't gonna change that anytime soon ! <cheers>
     
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  11. swantastic

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    Dear Deirdre,
    I am a crack dealer in Luton who has recently been diagnosed as a carrier of HIV virus.
    My parents live in Bedford and one of my sisters, who lives in Milton Keynes, is married to a transvestite.
    My father and mother have recently been arrested for growing and selling cannabis. They are financially dependent on my other two sisters, one of whom is 51 and lives in in London with her runaway 15 year old boyfriend, and the other has a lifetime ban on keeping pets following a number of 'incidents'.
    I have two brothers, one is currently serving a non-parole life sentence in Wormwood Scrubs for the murder of a teenage boy in 1994. My other brother is currently in prison awaiting charges of sexual misconduct with his three children.
    I have recently become engaged to marry a former prostitute who lives in Dunstable. She is a part time "working girl".
    All things considered, my problem is this. I love my fiancée and look forward to bringing her into the family. I certainly want to be totally open and honest with her.
    Should I tell her about my cousin, who is a Jeremy Corbyn supporter?
    Signed,
    Worried About My Reputation
     
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  12. daimungeezer

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    Sounds like prime Labour MP material to me <laugh>
     
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  13. swantastic

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    Labour battlebus spotted !

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  15. swanseaandproud

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    please log in to view this image
     
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  16. daimungeezer

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    Your numpties poster missed out "The democratic vote?"
     
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  17. Taffvalerowdy

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    The result?
    The once in a lifetime vote?
    The we will implement your decision?
     
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