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Leeds v Villa

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Rum & Black for 2, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion Forum Moderator

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    Respect to the Leeds Manager. Telling his team to give a “goal” back when Leeds “scored” instead of kicking the ball out.

    Bamford cheating to get a Villa player sent off as well. Only one word to describe him is “cheat”. He should be banned for 3 games.
     
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  2. Ben 10

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    Why not just let the ref decide when the game should be stopped?
     
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  3. Rum & Black for 2

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    The difference between following the rules and doing what is right and playing to the spirit of the game.
     
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    I'd love it if we done what Leeds done then not let them score at the other end
     
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    Just imagine it being us and Joselu was the man through on goal........
     
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    And then see how many of his team mates piss themselves laughing when he tells them that he pretended to miss <laugh>
     
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    <laugh>
     
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  8. Albert's Chip Shop

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    Big respect to Biesla.
    With the game’s image tarnished to ****, it’s great to see sportsmanship like that. The bloke is a class act and I hope them old ****s at the FA don’t hit him hard with a punishment.
    A little faith has been restored in the beautiful game for me.
     
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  9. Ben 10

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    Yeah proper sportsman Bielsa. Not like some managers who spy on other teams training
     
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  10. Albert's Chip Shop

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    ALL managers will have done that at some point mate. You surely don’t think he was the only one so you?

    He just got caught.
     
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  11. Ben 10

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    Not very sporting though is it?
     
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    Not cheating at all. Unsportsmanlike but not cheating
     
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  13. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Fair enough for Bielsa, but lets be honest after spygate he was on a hiding to nothing and basically had to do this. The Leeds winger caused all the issue and seems to be slipping under the radar. He was the one who slowed to a stop before releasing the ball. However he was being harangued wrongly to put the ball out.

    However I completely disagree with Groot that there is scope to do something right. There is but this wasn't it because thankfully this is fully covered under the rules. The rule regarding players being down was introduced for a very good reason (unsporting behaviour ironically). My understanding is the rule is unless its a head injury you do not kick the ball out. The referee is to decide if a game needs stopped.

    Basically play to the ****ing whistle (quite an old one that). Don't get me wrong if someones shin is sticking out his leg and the ref hasn't seen, by all means scream to get it stopped. That wasn't the situation though was it. The lad in question got up and played on for a bit. I know he had been out with a bad injury but the rules are very clear, head injury or keep playing.

    Basically Villa are very lucky because they don't know the ****ing rules or think they are above them. I have to laugh at Terry and Lampard getting in Bielsa's face this season over fair play and decency. Really? Personally I'm with Janssen. He should have halved the kid and told his teammates to get a ****ing grip.
     
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  14. Freddd

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    Disagree with this. The rule is that the ref must stop the game if there is a head injury. Otherwise, it is left to the players to decide. No one would have raised an eyebrow if Leeds had just played on and scored. The issue was that the winger indicated that he was going to kick the ball out and used the indication that he was going to do the gentlemanly thing to be a complete prick. Nothing illegal in that. it just makes you a complete prick.

    The question Bielsa faced is whether he wanted to accept the bare minimum (not breaking the rules) as his standard of sporting ethics. For whatever reason (perhaps including that he has previously done something unsporting which I don't believe broke any identifiable rule), he decided that his standard was something above the bare minimum. Everybody will have their own opinion on whether a team should do anything legal to win or whether there is room left in the game for good sportsmanship. Personally, I say good on him.

    As for Janssen, if he didn't hear his manager's instructions he should pay more attention in the future. If he did and decided to ignore them, he should train with the under 15's for a few weeks.
     
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    It's not just head injuries he can stop it for any serious injury
     
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    Just play to the whistle. There's way too many ****s go down these days in an attempt to break up the play/slow the game down.

    Why not change the rules to do what rugby do and have the physio on the pitch with play ongoing? I'm sure this will stamp out fake injuries.
     
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    Trouble is that you cant bring in a rule for this as players will continue to play ball out and then expect it back. There is no rule that oppo have to give it back but they get more uptight about this than any other form of foul play, time wasting etc.

    Was at Old Trafford yesterday when David Luis feigned injury and played ball out so they could bring a sub on and then get the ball back.

    Only way to stop it is to allow player to be treated on pitch while play continues as long as its not goalkeeper.
     
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  18. Warmir Pouchov

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    Is that the rule? If that is the rule then we have located the problem straight away! Just change the rule as play to the whistle. You should only be allowed to put the ball out for your own teammate (so you can restore your side to full strength and as you had the ball, you are not stopping the opposition). I thought the rule was changed to stop the play acting so that the ref made that call and only had to stop it for serious injury.

    Janssen I imagine like many others just doesn't know that is the rule (if you are correct). Certainly Sky TV/BBC have given out false information over the past couple of seasons when they suggested there had been a rule change which suggested that the ref now decides. You have the papers repeating this today and pundits like Dean Saunders saying it also. I suggested the Leeds winger may have been being a knob. Its obviously far more likely he his own players telling him to play on, their players saying the opposite, the fans and managers chirping. He was probably just unsure what to do. One thing for sure is there was absolutely no reason to stop the game.
     
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  19. Freddd

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    I don't see the need for a rule change. Any team that plays the ball out or asks the other side to play the ball out is relying on the other side to oblige them. If the other team thinks that they are being mucked about, they don't need to either play the ball out or give it back to the team that played it out. If they choose to do so, why should anyone complain ?
     
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  20. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Balls you can bring in a rule. If they continue to expect the ball back, then they're ****ing idiots. They'll learn.

    I think rugby lends itself better to ongoing treatment but I certainly think it is worth trialling it. Anything to stop these ****ing fairies spoiling the games.
     
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