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KS AND O'Neil

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Red Robin, Oct 23, 2016.

  1. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    for me this has to be our first pairing,will get better and better together.
    Let's hope we can keep the momentum going for a top six push.
     
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  2. BrightredRickster

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    The midfield dream-team to take us there
    I had been savouring the prospect since O'Neil signed
     
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    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    We either need Engval to be fit and to compliment the squad by being a regular scorer, or preferably, to give ourselves other options, sign another decent striker in the next transfer window.
    It was great that Wilbs got the winner yesterday, but relying on a 37 year old for goals isn't a practical long term solution for a club with ambitions.
     
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  4. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    Exactly love him but Engval needs to step up.
     
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  5. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    this proves the point about 2 up front .... a defence having to watch 2, is better than 2 watching an attacker .....
     
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    Completely disagree. Most of the best teams in the world play with one up front these days. It's about more than just watching the attacker. When Barcelona and Real Madrid attack they don't just watch Suarez/Benzema, they have class wingers to keep an eye on. In our case, it's more Tomlin/Freeman/Paterson/whoever. The defence watches more than just the striker(s).
     
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    But he's been injured so why does he need to step up? For all you know he might be at a class to rip this division apart.
     
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    1up or 2up can depend on how you want to approach a game or adapt to the opposition.
    With the way we played at Cardiff it was reprehensible to leave Tammy in isolation.
    It was a man against a boy.
    Of all coaches to appreciate the deficiencies of scale Junior should have at least understood that part of the game.
     
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  9. BrightredRickster

    BrightredRickster Well-Known Member

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    But 'the boy' you mention has hit 11 goals so far this season, and we're not even out of October.

    I am of the belief that we attack or defend as a team. That is the 2016 way.
    We press high up the field where we can, and look to win the ball back pronto.

    Its all about taking chances, and with young players, finishing is always a testing experience.
    We saw it back in Mr Gow's day, when brilliant youngsters would dominate a game and forget to put the ball in the back of the net.
    I'm afraid with one or two of our current youngsters it is the same again. If Reid, Paterson, Freeman etc were a little older and more experienced they would have notched a few for themselves, and we would be up there with Newcastle.

    I'm not worried about this long term. As in Gow's team's case, the youngsters suddenly get the picture, and we become a force.
    Just hope it happens this season.
    My thoughts on LJ ?
    Keep doing it just as you are, and wait until the goals begin to flow, but find a replacement/understudy for Tammy during January (unless Engval is up and running).
    But I'm pretty sure he already knows that
     
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    I reckon we might see Engvall tomorrow evening.
     
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  11. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    exactly tammy is learning the game, against players of ypur own age and likely experience its easier to score ... then when you play senior football .. clever heads against you ...

    city are not BARCA OR REAL who play seasoned strikers City has a striker that has only played the best part of a dozen games ... you need to keep things in perspective ...:emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  12. BrightredRickster

    BrightredRickster Well-Known Member

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    If there are no experienced strikers of ability available to sign then we must work with what we have.
    And if we can't sign anyone anyhow until January then what is the point of belly aching about our forward line. All it will achieve is negativity, and that will have an effect
     
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  13. BCFCRob

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    Well for perspective... our strikers aren't playing against the best defenders in the world unlike the above, so it still fits.
     
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  14. johngalleyfan2

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    how can it be in perspective .... ??? tammy ( first 14 games) is a mere babe in comparison to say wilbs 15 seasons ..... BUT neither not world class, because the championship is not the equal to world class ... so in perspective .. any defenders in the championship that have played More than SAY 6 -8 SEASONS are a darned sight better equipped experience wise than defenders having been playing for a couple of seasons .. and the championship have a few clubs with "oldtimers with guile " in their ranks ...
     
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  15. BrightredRickster

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    Statistics !
    Tammy has scored 11 goals in 17 matches as the lone striker, and its not even the end of October.
    Of course we don't know about the rest of the season but you don't get all that in 6 weeks without being something pretty special, whatever the standard of defending,
     
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  16. BCFCRob

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    Not at all. Going by your logic then all older players are better than younger players. It's not as simple as that. And of course it's perspective. Your argument was that because Ronaldo and the like are the best strikers in the world, it's easier for them to play alone up front. My point was that they also have to play against the best defenders in the world, unlike our lads.
     
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  17. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    don't disagree with 11 in 17 or 8 in 14 league games he is looking to be a bit special but the next season or 2 will determine "how special"

    Ronaldo doesn't play alone up front!? however I can see the point you are trying to make .. but it is all relative ... when the best "striker" plays against the poorest best defender there are usually a few goals or rarely defeats. if you had 44 players, of mixed age expieience quality ... 4 goalies 4 lb's 4 rb's etc etc and had to make 4 teams ..prem team champs team div 1 and div2 then had a mini league the prem team is likely to have a 100% record against the div 2 and pro rata.
     
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