Don't know what this is yet but I wanted to talk about yesterdays game. Mainly why Klopp played trent and Salah for 98mins in a meaningless game. The man complains about the condensed season. Player fatigue and injurys... 5 subs and such but the one chance he has to rest up everyone of the 1st 11 (yes none of them should have played imo) So what's that about? Any theories? I cant get over how fuking stupid it was to play Salah and trent for near 100mins. Madness imho
Trent needed fitness as did Keita, so I can see why they played. Salah I'm not so sure. Little bit of a break till Sunday where I assume Salah won't play the full game to manage his fitness for the Tottenham game
Perhaps input from the player is a factor? Maybe Mo really wanted to play and could convince those that matter that he can cope. I imagine that the fitness experts are constantly monitoring each player's ability to deal with the various stresses put on them, and some are more capable than others. Play too much - you get fatigue, don't play enough and you drop below match fitness. The optimum levels will be unique to the individual, and it's a fine balancing act to get it right.
I was raging when Origi came off and mo stayed on. I cant understand the logic behind it, pressure/being romantic by letting mo get his cl record? Ego? Wanting to get a win? If so for what? Ive agreed with Klopp about his issues regarding players playing too often, injuries, 5subs all that but I feel a bit of betrayed backing him because when the opportunity arises to rest players who you will need in more important games throughout the season you don't take advantage of it. Would anyone have cared if we lost yesterday with a full team of youngsters/2nd string/players who needed the minutes? Klopp said himself after the game he didn't want to play trent the whole game but the game went a way that he decided to keep him on (exact reasons werent stated) Nervous fukin wreck everytime mo got tackled last night Not just trent tho, Fabinho why start him ffs? Our only 1st team cb bar matip (not forgetting why he's having to play therebin the 1st place) why not start with big billy and Williams. Ok we probably would've been turned over but like I said I don't think anyone would've cared much. The whole game annoyed me last night, from Klopp, the line up, the ref and var, slog of a watch that was.
You make a valid point and you could be right I don't know. I was fully expecting a team similar to the one when our kids smashed Everton last year. Guess it just pissed me off a bit. Specifically Klopp moaning about fatigue for weeks then seeing the line up doesn't do him any favours with getting **** off the media. I think he got it wrong last night I really do, just fortunate we didn't get any knocks.
Don't think he could simply change all eleven, we've got a named CL squad and no on outside that squad (bar youngsters) can play. Trent needed match time so no issue with that. Only stange bit for me was Salah staying on. Thought he'd swap Salah for Mane at HT
Yeh man that's what it's about eh, I say summin, you say summin, we deicide I'm right and life can go on again
I think Klopp has worked miracles with us so there's plenty of tolerance there from me when he does things I disagree with. I was actually more irritated with the first game line-up against the Danes because I thought it smacked of unwarranted complacency at that stage of the group, and a bit of arrogance. I'd have preferred a stronger team then and a weaker one last night. But what do I know? - I haven't made us into one the best teams in the world.
He deffo needs minutes, but more minutes in the gym, his core strength is just not there for the prem, reminds me of trents first season, skinny and lightweight and easily man handled. Came back the next year with a bit more meat on his bones but more importantly physically stronger and it made him a real contender. Tbf I think Klopp knows this and that's why he's playing a bit part role until he stops being weak on the ball. Wouldn't be the 1st player to be bought and not played until he's up to speed with the rest. I'm not even sure what position minamino is best played, but we ain't found it yet. If he's **** I mean oh well, 7m spent and Edwards deffo still makes a profit off him.
Like I said in the match thread, I thought Minamino played well enough in the first half - even in that deeper role. The whole team fell apart after HT for some reason.
Yeh i hear ya, I was just kidding anyway Klopps the man, not even suggesting he's on the decline or anything like that, but I just wanted to see what others thought about yday, seeing as it pissed me off so much I'm just checking if that was normal behaviour or not I do think he got it wrong though (from what I know of and see) with mo and Fabinho in particular, we cannot afford to lose any of those two, more so fab not in a meaningless game. But like some have said there could and probably was underlying reasons for klopps decisions last night.
I loved the kid clarksons performance, full of energy, alway making himself available for the ball, always watching where trent was to cover RB, done that brilliantly all night. saved a certain goal (that wouldn't have been given anyway but still he was there) loved the 1st time pings to team mates, a few of them balls had great vision but never came off. Very impressed with him last night. Chuffed for tha lad, I posted his post match interview in the tweets Fred btw. Seems a nice lad, humble.
There 25 man squad is the a list you submit. you can register anyone you like of a b list but they must be at the club for 2 years from age 15 and born after a certain date our squad is/was. Goalkeepers: Alisson, Adrian, Kelleher, Jaros* Defenders: Gomez, Matip, VVD, R.Williams*, Alexander-Arnold, Robertson, Tsimikas, N.Williams*, Larouci* koumetio* Midfielders: Thiago, Fabinho, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita, Jones*, Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Cain*, Clarkson*, Dixon-Bonner* Forwards: Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota, Minamino, Origi, Shaqiri, Glatzel*, Longstaff*, Millar*, Stewart* * is List B. in theory klopp coiuld have played Kelleher williams williams Koumetio Tsimikas Keita Cain Clarkson Minamino origi millar for exmaple the reality is klopp didn't do that it would have killed a few kids imo. If we had less injuries we would have gone a bit differently, he could have brought another couple of kids to throw on as well but we saw what ahppened the minute fabinho went off. Imo if it had been a home tie last he would have gone weaker.
I was wondering what this thread was going to be about; thought it may be some new merchandise. In reply to the OP, I think Klopp's job is very hard atm. A lot of hurdles put in his way are being leaped, others are being managed on a day to day basis. Players have different bodily makeups and challenges with a player like Mané seemingly being the Duracell bunny and others like Chamberlain, Keita ...... needing to be wrapped in cotton wool in between games. The medical staff will be working with the players to know what their individual bodies can cope with so Salah and Trent playing 100 minutes followed three days later by another full game will be within what their bodies can comfortably manage and respond well to. These days I get the feeling that if the medical staff are insure about a player's fitness, they won't take an unnecessary risk, if anything the recovery times are getting longer. The days of sending Owen out pumped up with painkillers are over. Players are more like finely tuned athletes these days and greater respect is paid to their fitness and health generally. Nobody should be suffering from burnout. If a player is playing a lot of games it will be in consultation with the medical staff and the player himself and will ultimately be what's best for the player.
Not sure why he so worked up about it. klopp and the medical experts will have the data to suggest how long players can play and be ok, clearly salah was fine to play the whole match (he came off in last few games). It’s all well and good to change the whole 11 abs rest everyone but players do need to keep match fit. It was a few years ago back in Rafa day maybe where we rested everyone for final few league games in build up to CL final and got beaten. Add in the fact what if you send out 11 kids. They get beaten 7-0, how does that affect overall morale of the squad, even though that weren’t involved, how does that help the development of those players? What if we need to call on one of them the next game and they’ve just been demolished and had a shocker? Think juat have to assume klopp and the team know what they’re doing in terms of managing the workload of the squad
It was one thing noticed when watching that Spurs documentary was how involved the medical team are when it comes to making players available. It was a case of them saying to Mourinho you can’t play him him and him. This one could do an hour etc and then also having more say that Mourinho when it came to that.
in the end its up to certain managers to listen or not. agent ole crocked rashford by failing to listen. Klopp is managing matip so i hope he can play both games coming and then likely we will see phillips v palace where marking beneteke might be more his style. klopp has managed frimino back to form klopp has tried to get mane going a bit as well. Not really come yet.
