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Kinnear the fall guy?

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  1. 2SilverSeahorses

    2SilverSeahorses Active Member

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    Ok, so given the blatant lack of incoming transfer activity at SJP I'm staring to worry we shouldn't be hopeful of signing anyone.

    It sort of makes perfect twisted sense. Ashley hires Kinnear with both knowing full well how unpopular Joe is. His first interview proves that and that he couldn't care less.
    As DOF and in charge of transfers he's comfortable taking the heat off Mike for not making deals and spending ANY money, given certain conditions and promises.

    The two know it'll make life harder for Pardew operating with an even smaller squad than last year and with his first string of poor results they'll pile on enough pressure to force him to walk.
    Kinnear has clearly been promised the job with Harford lined up as assistant (which he still might take) and I can see them in by Christmas at the latest.

    This will ensure there's limited 'emergency' funds available for January when they haven't got Pards around to stick his beak in.
    Although I'm 100% certain Joe will have told Mike he can work with the current crop and doesn't think the team requires more expenditure at all.

    Don't get me wrong, it's the most pathetic and dumb plan ever concocted... which is exactly why I reckon it's exactly what this regime would do.
    It also explains why a player we'd lined up for months for nothing was immediately cancelled by a fella who will have known naff all about it.

    Couldn't run a bath...
     
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  2. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    I think Kinnear is indeed in place to deflect criticism fron the fat man
     
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  3. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Personally I think we'll sign one striker. It'll be short of the two we really need but will be enough.

    I don't think there is any grand plan with regards Kinnear, I think Mike likes and trusts him for some reason. No conspiracy just stupidity for me.
     
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  4. 2SilverSeahorses

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    Do you not think he's been promised the manager's job though? Because I'm 100% certain of it.

    Mick Harford blabbed to Talksport and sounded pretty dodgy when pressed about Joe becoming manager.

    I just wonder what motivation there is for a guy to help the guy he wants to replace, particularly when you know your boss is content not spending money...
     
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  5. Keith Fit

    Keith Fit Well-Known Member

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    For fooks sake. Employment law meant kinnear still had an active contract at the club. Llambias fooked up, so his job went to Joe because sacking Pardew would have been much more costly.
     
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  6. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    I think it's daft to do that, either way Pardew can take him to court if he's bound to an 8 year contract. Constructive dismissal hearing in court would more than likely see him pocket a similar amount to what he would if he's dismissed with a pay off.

    The fact is, you have a gambling man in charge of your football team and he's run out of respected people who are willingly going to work for him, so he is now scraping the barrel with appointments like Kinnear. The guy had you in a position at the end of 11/12 to market you and get you sold but he **** out and now you're spiralling out of control again. The Demba Ba saga from last summer is still impairing your club now, Pardew should have shoved him out the door as soon as 11/12 was finished, Kinnear is a total clown but he's ****ing ruthless and will do that kind of thing as and when necessary.
     
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  7. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Not really but I imagine he is there as someone who will have an inside knowledge if Pardew fails to win the fans back and get us moving in the right direction again. Does it undermine Pardew? Of course. Does it make his job impossible? Certainly not. Pardew just has to go and win games and get us back to what we were the season before last and in Europe last season. I think he'll bring in a striker or two, but more likely just the one. I know people don't like it, but the fact remains we did the bulk of our strengthening in January. They've had a full 7 months to bed in now and there really are no excuses. Provided we strengthen the front line we'll be in good shape for the season ahead.
     
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    One striker will not be enough but we will be lucky to get that at this point!
     
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  9. mag la rue

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    Blackpool will be the yardstick for our season. Struggle against them with the near full strength squad that will be out and we're going to struggle against the relegation fodder of Crystal Palace and Hull.
    Kinnear needs to make moves in the transfer market, but it appears he's his own man and doesn't want to take advice from the Pardew team, inc Carr.
    However he has no ideas to the current state of football. Akin, I'm sad to say, to the Keegan problem when he came back.
    If Kinnear was dealing with recruitment he should have been at the U21 championships, not holidaying with the family and not contemplating setting up a team to deal with the youth system once the youth tournaments have finished.
     
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    On the JK situation, I'm not convinced he is the man for the job but as long as he shuts up and signs some quality players (not Bent) him and Mike can have all the bum fun they want in the board room.

    Tbh one striker would be fine for me unless Cisse goes! I think we are looking to play one up top this year and with Cisse and another striker (Gomis) rotating, Shola and Gouffran as back up and Campbell gettin a few run out a we will be pretty covered upfront. My main issue is the wings/full backs. Wings where you have Gouffran, HBA and then Marveux, who I rate but just seems a bit of a sick note, then Obertan and Jonas (fair utility player but not a starting winger), we would do well to ship of Obertan, for Ince. Full back we have Debuchy and Santon who are experienced at this level after that lots of promise but untested promise.
     
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  12. 2SilverSeahorses

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    The crucial thing for me is I can just see Joe Kinnear telling Mike Ashley what he wanted to hear to get certain promises over the NUFC manager's job.

    He will have definitely told him that the squad under him wouldn't need investment, and that Pardew's using squad depth as a last resort excuse for his own failings.

    We know he's got a rose-tinted and foolishly bullish opinion of his own managerial abilities and Mike seems to have fallen for it hook and line.

    I don't for one minute believe Ashley has exhausted good people who would want to work for him at NUFC.
    If he opened up the manager's job to qualified, experienced, respected candidates he'd get them queuing up for this job. Beating down the door.

    But why bother? If the yardstick is keeping them in the Premier League at minimal expense whilst surrounding yourself with mates who are just grateful of work then terrific!

    Just needs a string of dismal results, disgruntled fans, Pardew increasingly isolated from a regime that won't back him, Joe poking nose in and shouting off mouth to undermine him, a media lapping it up... Surely Alan will walk?
    Hurt and let down. I called for his head at the season's end but I genuinely hope it doesn't come like that. Can we not just do things properly for once?

    Actually, I don't even think Pardew would get a big payout if sacked. I just can't imagine Ashley leaving himself vulnerable to that situation again.
    There's probably performance conditions that he didn't even hit last year, mitigated at the time by misplaced confidence and the perceived security of an 8-year tenure.
    It would be more likely for a fella that loves a gamble to do all this on a piddly, throwaway £5 bet that he can make the guy quit. Remember 'Lambeezy' saying we have no idea how horrible they can be.

    As I say, it's fuzzy pathetic logic – but that's us these days isn't it? Throw all rationality out of the window and you get closer to the truth! :D
     
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