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King´s Stand Stakes

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by Ron, Jun 18, 2012.

  1. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member
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    I've had a look at the Timeform ratings:

    Ortensia 136
    Bated Breath 135
    Wizz Kid 135
    Sole Power 134
    Little Bridge 132
    Joy And Fun 132
    Hamish McGonagall 132
    Tangerine Trees 132

    Margot Did 's rating is ?

    I then looked at just the highest ratings of every horse achieved on Good to Soft going within the last 12 months or so

    I was quite surprised to find that Margot Did came out top with 135

    Margot Did 135
    Tangerine Trees 132
    Hamish McGonagall 131
    Masamah 131
    Prohibit 131
    Bated Breath 129+
    Wizz Kid 128
    Ortensia 128

    I've ignored a 134? achieved by Ortensia in April 2010 when last of 14

    To me that makes it even more of a lottery but interestingly Ortensia doesn't look such a good bet as I thought


    Could make for an interesting short list

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  2. woolcombe-folly007

    woolcombe-folly007 Well-Known Member

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    Atm I fancy sole power to turn the tables on bated breath tomorrow! but will prbly change tomorrow!
     
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  3. Bluesky9

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    I think Night carnation should be backed at 50-1 EW as it is just simply too big.

    It's never a race to get too involved with as there are many unknown quantities, questions about going and finally they are sprinters so most have all been beaten by each other at one point or another. The other reason is that the bookies have taken no chance on the market leaders and so for me it's about the each-way value that has slipped through and i feel Night Carnation may well be one of those.
     
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  4. stick

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    Of the longshots MONSIEUR JOE at 50-1 could run a very big race. He was only a couple of lengths behind Ortensia at Meydan and reopposes a couple of pouds better off. Buick is on board and gets the best out of him. Possibly his best effort was on his only run on good to soft so conditions may just be ideal tomorrow. Huge price and not without a chance!
     
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  5. Ron

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    Just a little word of warning. I took the going from the Timeform ratings and I notice these don't always tie up with the going reported by RP.
     
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  6. King Shergar

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    Stick has the right idea, this race is far to competitive to be taking single figure odds about a horse. There all much of a muchness to me. If there is one that stands out it will be Ortensia, though im not sure the ground will suit her:biggrin:*
     
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    I can't help but feel that an Oz sprinter gets a bit better wrap than they really deserve. Sure the sprinting is strong out here and we've had a pretty good record in the last ten years when it comes to UK G1 five and six furlong racing, but this should not blind the punter to what it takes to win one of these races. Ortensia is a quality mare, but her past record here is far from top notch. The one bright light for her here, is the manner in which she's fired in the hands of her new trainer. Like others though, I don't believe that she represents value at the moment.

    Hope she wins with a leg in the air though. :)
     
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  8. NassauBoard

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    Tangerine Trees for me.

    He is a big horse who needed his first run of the season (not sure why people backed him that day) and they like to get him ready for his big days. He is drawn in stall 9 so should be able to track to wherever the best ground is and I expect him to make a brave effort of this.

    He has the form in the book, winning the Abbaye last year and like many I think the sprinting ranks are full of horses who are much of a muchness, and as such the 20/1 on offer about Tangerine Trees is very interesting.
     
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  9. MickDoonan

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    Tangerine trees or sole power for me
     
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