Anyone want to forgive and forget his ways with social media?
It's a no from me. Reserves at best.
It's a no from me. Reserves at best.
Kenedy
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Somebodys pinched my sombrero
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This time last season he was coming into form and looked a class above our other players. That carried on for a couple of months and the guy was a massive part of keeping us up comfortably.
I'll always appreciate that and would happily have splurged good money on him in the Summer as everything I had seen of him in a Newcastle shirt up until that point made me think he was worth it. Since then he's been average at best and anonymous in the main. If we were offered him for £7-8m or less I'd still have him as I know he's capable and an upgrade on the alternatives we have but any real money (£15m+ etc) and it's a huge no.
In the main I just think he doesn't want to be here and if he'd wanted to come on a permanent he would have made it happen last Summer and we'd be watching a very different player each week at the moment. I don't think you can assume he would have been this bad if we'd have signed him, he's going to go somewhere which plays him where and how he likes and he's going to be very good for them.
I'll always appreciate that and would happily have splurged good money on him in the Summer as everything I had seen of him in a Newcastle shirt up until that point made me think he was worth it. Since then he's been average at best and anonymous in the main. If we were offered him for £7-8m or less I'd still have him as I know he's capable and an upgrade on the alternatives we have but any real money (£15m+ etc) and it's a huge no.
In the main I just think he doesn't want to be here and if he'd wanted to come on a permanent he would have made it happen last Summer and we'd be watching a very different player each week at the moment. I don't think you can assume he would have been this bad if we'd have signed him, he's going to go somewhere which plays him where and how he likes and he's going to be very good for them.
I believe hes got ability others don't see how not having players helps.
There's slways been a portion of fans hell bent on chasing potential good players away to hastily.
There's slways been a portion of fans hell bent on chasing potential good players away to hastily.
Doesn't want to be here. Will never be anything than average. Let him go in the summer as we can do better.
I thought he looked good when he came on on Saturday. He looks a lot more comfortable on the ball than some of our midfielders and is always looking to make things happen. He will surely get a few more full games before season end due to injuries etc and I will reserve judgement on him until then.
He certainly doesn't look happy and his performances when selected have left little to be desired. That being said, we were all sat here about a year ago going "WOW" this guy is exactly what we've been missing. He lifted the whole team last year along with Dubravka and looked head and shoulders above what we had in the squad at that time. Our squad hasn't changed that much since but he just doesn't seem to perform well in the role Rafa is giving him. I'm hoping when Almiron is starting every game that Rafa is gonna mix things up during games and Kenedy can be played in his favoured position and we may again see the player we thought we had this time last year. I'd still be tempted to buy him outright at the end of the season if the option is there and the price is right but he's gonna have to do a lot to earn a contract between now and then for rafa and the club to show some faith in him. He's a massive upgrade on Atsu and Murphy in my opinion.
With any luck we're gonna start strenghtneing in other areas over the next couple of windows. Our defence is pretty solid now and our goal difference is one of the best outside of the top 4, we've played all of the big boys pretty much twice now and we haven't been battered goals wise yet really so fingers crossed we're gonna start to up the ante a bit with our forward play and turn our GD stats round into a positive figure rather than a negative one.
With any luck we're gonna start strenghtneing in other areas over the next couple of windows. Our defence is pretty solid now and our goal difference is one of the best outside of the top 4, we've played all of the big boys pretty much twice now and we haven't been battered goals wise yet really so fingers crossed we're gonna start to up the ante a bit with our forward play and turn our GD stats round into a positive figure rather than a negative one.
Is this the Son thing and liking that joke post where he suggested he was Sonaldo? if so whichever fans were upset by this should be taken into Newcastle City Centre and flogged with a rusty spiked metal bat. If we are going to be that sensitive then I suggest we just shut the club down now and be done with it. What a bunch of ****ing fairies. Boo hoo one of our players liked a social media post after a loss, and was insensitive to our fans feelings. Literally I have no words to describe such 'fans'. There are a lot of things to get upset at in the world and related to Newcastle United, this definitely isn't one of them. I'd suggest rather than sending him back from his loan, we send said fans to Sunderland where they belong.
If I've missed something bigger he has done, sorry.
As for the lad himself, give him a chance to play left wing with some regularity and give him a bit of support. He's had a rough time this season playing in uncomfortable positions, and has lost his confidence. Him and Almiron are the only class and creativity we have. I'd love to see them both in full flow and in good form. I like being entertained by players like them. The fans need to just get behind the kid (don't forget that is what he is).
If I've missed something bigger he has done, sorry.
As for the lad himself, give him a chance to play left wing with some regularity and give him a bit of support. He's had a rough time this season playing in uncomfortable positions, and has lost his confidence. Him and Almiron are the only class and creativity we have. I'd love to see them both in full flow and in good form. I like being entertained by players like them. The fans need to just get behind the kid (don't forget that is what he is).
Have to disagree, anyone who plays with their socks rolled down to show off their Billy Stampers should contribute more.
Aye its an untidy look the lad has.
My pet hate is these shin guards. I say shin guards, they are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard in terms of their usefulness in protecting your shins. I understand the modern game is now so physical contact averse that shin guards are becoming redundant. But then you have them kicked on the shin and they roll round for 20mins. I suppose these fairies would still roll round regardless so my point is a little moot, but I can't see any reason for those stupid little bits of plastic.
I remember when you had to put a magazine down your socks if you forgot your shinners. You wouldn't dare head out onto the pitch showing no shinners. It would have been like a red rag to a bull.
When I played, the yellow pages down each sock wouldn't protect you from some of the dirty f@ckers.
Think Rafa has said a couple of times he is distracted by off field issues surrounding his child - not sure what they are but something is obviously up. He is also stifled in terms of his attacking play this year in the 5-4-1 and that's not helping as regardless of whether they say he can play LWB I think he's an out and out winger/inside forward and needs more freedom to show his best. Again in a scrappy team like ours no one looks good - and our fans love a scapegoat! I mean just look at the **** Hayden and Perez take on a weekly basis from "fans". Yet I wouldn't put Shelvey or Ki back in ahead of Hayden or Longstaff atm, maybe Diame.
Hayden hasn't been that good but I wouldn't remove Longstaff until his form drops, he's played too well. I'd take Hayden straight out for Shelvey or Ki if they were fit. I don't think Hayden gets any **** to be honest. Certainly sat in the ground I haven't heard any. He gets a bit on here I suppose but that's largely irrelevant. He's just not very good and struggles at PL level so fans will naturally call that. I wouldn't give him **** at the ground though because I could not say he doesn't try. I am sure he would love to be better at football and is trying to improve in training.
Largely though if I was going to have to use Hayden in any game, these would be the ones against the best sides. Its been a blessing that our tough run has coincided with our better players being out. I see these games as a free swing anyway. What we will need though is the guile and passing ability of Shelvey/Ki when we play weaker teams.
Perez I have to say does get some in the ground, and is subjected to more moans and groans than any other player. He brings some of that on himself of course with his diving/play-acting and of course being a complete fanny on the ball. He is a frustrating player but I do think the fans are too keen to jump on him.
I didn't know that about Kenedy but I can sympathise with that too, family is important. Some players are able to box that up and leave it to one side. Kenedy though seems quite an emotional type so maybe he can't leave home at home. If so then he should not really picked but again I come back to Rafa having his hands tied by fat boy.
It's more keyboard warriors to be fair and mainly on twitter I see it, usually call them out on it if I do but Hayden does get a lot of unnecessary stick for me.
Fully agreed though about him playing vs the big teams and Ki/Shelvey vs the smaller teams where we need a bit of creativity. Think Hayden is very tactically mature, way beyond his years and has done his defensive duties incredibly well alongside Longstaff in his run of games, even if he isn't technically wonderful, probably what you get for being coached by Wenger and Benitez at the beginning of your career. Considering he is being very open and honest about wanting to move down south closer to family he puts in a shift every time he plays.
Also agree Perez does slightly bring it on himself with his rolling around but that's just the european way really. Joselu for a stacked lad does it just as much (although thankfully he's not on the pitch as much so isn't as noticeable). You'd never see Rondon, flopping about or Diame, whereas Perez actually does get a boo boo from the wind blowing on him. Again though, think he does alot of the ugly yards and they go unnoticed by the majority until he's blowing out his arse and then does that little poncey jog he does - and it winds people up even more
As for Kenedy I do think he's been woeful at times this year - there was the game he didn't make a pass in the first 45 mins and then had the pen saved (think it was vs Huddersfield) - but he is definitely being stifled by the tactics. Benitez came out after a game (possibly the Hud's game as well actually) and basically said he's playing as a LB which he is not use to and want's more freedom but he'll do the job back there. Ritchie mind you has been immense back there considering he's never played in a back 5 in his life. I'd still put Kenedy a head of him though in place of Atsu and give him a bit more license but I think with Ritchie not being a natural LB Atsu is probably more disciplined in front of Magic Hat.
It's more keyboard warriors to be fair and mainly on twitter I see it, usually call them out on it if I do but Hayden does get a lot of unnecessary stick for me.
Fully agreed though about him playing vs the big teams and Ki/Shelvey vs the smaller teams where we need a bit of creativity. Think Hayden is very tactically mature, way beyond his years and has done his defensive duties incredibly well alongside Longstaff in his run of games, even if he isn't technically wonderful, probably what you get for being coached by Wenger and Benitez at the beginning of your career. Considering he is being very open and honest about wanting to move down south closer to family he puts in a shift every time he plays.
Also agree Perez does slightly bring it on himself with his rolling around but that's just the european way really. Joselu for a stacked lad does it just as much (although thankfully he's not on the pitch as much so isn't as noticeable). You'd never see Rondon, flopping about or Diame, whereas Perez actually does get a boo boo from the wind blowing on him. Again though, think he does alot of the ugly yards and they go unnoticed by the majority until he's blowing out his arse and then does that little poncey jog he does - and it winds people up even more
As for Kenedy I do think he's been woeful at times this year - there was the game he didn't make a pass in the first 45 mins and then had the pen saved (think it was vs Huddersfield) - but he is definitely being stifled by the tactics. Benitez came out after a game (possibly the Hud's game as well actually) and basically said he's playing as a LB which he is not use to and want's more freedom but he'll do the job back there. Ritchie mind you has been immense back there considering he's never played in a back 5 in his life. I'd still put Kenedy a head of him though in place of Atsu and give him a bit more license but I think with Ritchie not being a natural LB Atsu is probably more disciplined in front of Magic Hat.
To be honest one of our worst for play acting and throwing himself about is Schar. He is embarrassing at times. Obviously more a normal part of the game in his eyes, but as a fan he takes the shine off his game with it.
I was going to mention Schar but yeah if he keeps scoring braces while dribbling from the half way line I can forgive him the occasional rolly polly.
The social media gaff did grate on me a bit. I was such a fan of Kenedy last season. Without doubt, he helped us finish 10th. This season though, he just hasn't cut it on the pitch. IMO he looks like he's not bothered too often, which unless some of his play ends up with goals, is just unacceptable. Like most of us, I'm waiting for him to have a really good game and make a difference.
I did chuckle at a previous social media effort his, when he scratched out the lettering of an SD board, but he's perhaps not the best advised to like pictures of our opponents when they've just won against us. But the main thing is that his overall contribution falls short of what he's capable of IMO.
I did chuckle at a previous social media effort his, when he scratched out the lettering of an SD board, but he's perhaps not the best advised to like pictures of our opponents when they've just won against us. But the main thing is that his overall contribution falls short of what he's capable of IMO.
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For what ever he's done on social media, merely liking one of his fellow professionals post that was humorous doesn't seem a reason enough to get on his back to me, please remember the above picture posted on HIS instagram account.
He could like the mackems post stating they've won league one for all I care, this photo surely buys him some leeway.