just to make people know (not football related but)

goverment doing it again they are now scrapping the council tax thing so poor people have to pay that aswell. we get less money to live on now they say we have to pay council tax which is a lot of money all at the same time they give millionaires a tax cut. all in this together not rich get better off poor people get poorer. this does included people in work on low income they will have to pay more.

conservatives are doing there usual making the rich richer and making the poor family's even poorer .

family's on low income and jobless people struggle as it is buy not eating to have money to pay gas/electric and water rates. they are just trying to kill off poor people so only the rich are left.
the don't care about medium income family's or low income they only care about the millionaires like they do every time they get in goverment.

they trying to do it on the quiet aswell but lucky the media found out if they didn't find out the goverment would have done it with no one knowing.

 

http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/30/poorest-families-face-new-council-tax-blow-3375490/

 

Make 4000 servicemen redundant while at the same time broadening their war zones by sending 350 to Mali. "Just obsevers"?
Cameron: a Spiv=Private Walker
Clegg: can't make his mind up=Sergeant Wilson
Milliband: nothing to say=that extra who always stood on the back row

 

Did you hear the Tory ****er on R5 this morning? Ranting on about how it was councils fault because we gave them the means to organise their own local funds devolved from government and instead of charging this money to people they should be making cost savings blah blah blah, then you find out that the funding shortfall for council tax benefit to the new system is 10%!

So a 10% cut of funding to local government that the MOST vulnerable people in society are now having to pay. We are entitled to a paltry amount of council tax benefit a year but we've never claimed it because NNDC are horrible horrible people to deal with and I would rather attempt to remove my own eyeballs with a rusty spoon than claim it but the point is that the people who should be getting it are now going to have to pay towards "spare" rooms etc it's a national disgrace and the ConDem coalition are selling it as well actually these families are better off because council tax has fallen in real terms of 4% since we took over (they neglect to mention the fact that these people DIDN'T PAY COUNCIL TAX BEFORE SO HOW ARE THEY BENEFITING FROM A 4% REAL TERMS REDUCTION YOU RICH TWIT!)

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it!

http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/poll-tax-mark-2-council-tax-benefit-to.html

Lord Jenkin (Poll tax creator) says same mistakes being made now:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20039452
http://www.theinformationdaily.com/2012/10/24/child-benefit-changes-could-mean-poll-tax-mark-ii

If this man can see how come none of our "esteemed" leaders can?

It's not going to be long before we start to see some serious civil unrest IMHO over this, petrol constantly going up, council tax scandals, cuts, cuts, cuts, food prices up etc etc

 

Something like this really gets my goat, Firstly i have never voted Tory in my life and i do believe there is a sense of them looking after their own. BUT, we as a country cannot afford to keep giving handouts willy nilly.

My circumstances are as such, I was brought up in a family life that my father went out to work at 5am and got back at 7pm just to put food on the table, we didn't have many treats in life but we had a bloody good childhood, that gave me a sense to go out work hard to get want i wanted, I am paying a mortgage of nearly a grand a week for a modest 3 bed house, without claiming anything. I work in the private sector and haven't had a pay rise for over 4 years and the way business is going it will probably be another 4 years before i see the next one, I can't afford to go out on the piss that often. Its all about managing my money to have any treats in life.

Now to the bit that really gets my goat (And i know that some people need to claim and that is their right) but from my experience these people would then go out and buy for example a season ticket every year or a new iphone for little Johnny! I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone with this rant, but it really pisses me off that people can't understand or don't want to that the country can't afford all these benefits.

As for the Public sectors workers whining on about only getting certain percent wage increase and a frozen pension, they should get in the real world.

As i have said, no fingers are being pointed and i'm sorry if some people might be offended, but i feel that i put a lot into the system and other people use the benefits system to sit on their ass, not everybody does but there is certain culture that do do that.

 

It's not just the Tories Labour screwed the country in the first place can't believe that anyone could ever consider voting for them again. We need fundemental change not a swap from Tory toffs to Labour Toffs they are both devoid of morals and ideas

Thanks for the thread has reminded me to pay my tax bill so will spend the rest of the day trying to log on and miss all the xfer fun

 

I'm not advocating Labour nor Tory nor Lib Dem they've all screwed us all over at one time or another. It's a tough competition between the parties as to who ****s us over the most tbh. I still hate the Tories for everything they did over the railways. We would have a mental transport network if Thatcher hadn't meddled with the railways as she didn't like rail. The APT was essentially finished in the 80's and she knifed it and then later of course they created the biggest **** up of all by selling the railways off and created the unholy mess we have now. Just one example from one party but they're all as bad we need some new impetus I want to see REAL working people in power, real single mums, real minimum wage workers, real unemployed people all of these people should be given the chance

 

100% agree with what you've said there. I still think the only way to stop this situation is to bring in food/clothing etc stamps.
You receive child benefit, well its spent on the child
Housing benefit, the roof over your head
Cigs and booze benefit, for cigs and ..........Oh thats not stated just where it too often goes.
The benefits system was meant as a crutch in times of need not a lifestyle choice!

Work even minimum wage work must always lead to a better quality of life than benefits!

All politicians are self serving and fairly loathsome. Tory, Labour makes little difference, Labour couldn't of kept spending the way they were the pot is empty. the trouble with over taxing the rich is that they can just take their money elsewhere and something of their wealth is better than a bigger share of nothing!

 

I agree with much of this. However! You can't be serious in giving real unemployed people power or input. I think if you want an input or say be part of the system not the problem.
Most classes of people should have representation, but the country should be run by people who know the world and industries. It always makes me laugh when there is a cabinet reshuffle and the education minister becomes the minister of agriculture. So they are experts on both! really?

 

Totally agree that any party are out to look after its own, Many people moan about the Tony Blair years and yes he done some ****, But for me Gordon Brown was the biggest asshole ever invented and ruined this country.

 

This is kinda my problem with our current system. Electing people from a geographical area to represent them when that area has problems are nice, but there's nobody representing specific industries. I'd rather all doctors, scientists, farmers, soldiers, teachers, etc, etc had a representative that they elected to represent them. Then you've also got people in parliament who have a very good knowledge of specific fields, making it easier to elect a decent head for the department of health, agriculture, education, etc. The party system might not work so well with that kind of approach, but it doesn't really bother me. I'm not particularly political, but to me all the main parties are pretty much the same, and I trust each of them about as far as I could throw them. And having a system where politicians are reliant on getting re-elected every 4 years or so means they won't make the tough decisions the country needs if it'll take them longer than that to be proved right, as they'll lose control.

 

I think you'll find that history will actually tell us Gordon Brown was a good, decent man who at least was trying to do his best for the country, rather than simply look after his old cronies like these actual ****s the Tories are doing. He wasn't madia savvy and didn't play "the game" and as a result has been made to look a far bigger tool than he actually is by the propoganda machine.

One of the biggest ****-house tricks I have ever seen in politics was when that Sky microphone was deliberately left on in his car and he was caught accusing that bigotted old woman of being "a bigot", and then was hauled over the coals and pilloried by all and sundry for being some kind of nasty piece of work. I thought what he said was fair comment, and it's not as if the Tory ****s don't spew a load of evil **** when off the record and in the privacy of their own four walls.

It ****s me off when people have a go at Gordon Brown whilst condoning the **** the Tory ****s are trying to do to this country - ****ING WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!

 

Quite agree. He was the only PM or Opposition leader since Michael Foot who tried to put what he believed was the country's interests first.
The rest are just actors, even Kinnock played to the media in the end. And Cameron is the best actor of the lot. At least effin UKIP are sticking to their policies.
Yes we do have to stop people abusing the Welfare State. But there are laws to do that. Don't penalise the very needy because of a few scallies. And Thatcher was instrumental in allowing people to get on the benefits scams because she manipulated figures. She had oil and gas income to prop up the state spending on hiding unemployment etc. What other brainless twat would introduce self certification for sickness?

 

Yes but he was just another brainless baffoon who oversaw the biggest rip offs of this companies wealth by the banks that has ever happened how anyone can defend the worst Chancellor this county has ever had amazes me, ps I aint a Tory I hate party politics and I hate the way we are governed by the the likes of Blair Brown Clegg and Cameron all privlidged little gits who aint done a days work in thier lives and glady send our boys into battle for ridiculous unwinnable causes

 

Sorry, but if you think Gordon Brown is a "privileged little git" in the same context as Cameron, Osborne etc then you clearly don't know what you're on about and have obviously been gobbled up by the same propaganda machine as the dickheads who really think the ConDems are acting for the good of the nation as a whole

 

so that makes him ok then! the bloke screwed this country and dinned with the banking crooks while the banks pumped us dry , you obviously been sucked in by the Miliband school of rubbish never mind labour will be back in soon and they will really screw things up again.

 

This is a football forum and not the place to fall out over politics!

If anyone disagrees PM me with a good reason!