If only he had the influence over the politicians. Well said Jurgen I am with you all the way and everything you say is spot on
It's one of those isn't it where if people agree with his view they'll like him speaking out, if they don't, they won't. Presumably he was asked about it and didn't call a press conference himself. I'm impressed that he's even thought about the subject and can answer in a competent, coherent manner, whether I agree with him about a second vote is another matter
He's entitled to his opinion. While there's a chance on paper that while doing it as an LFC rep he could hurt the club, I'll go out on a limb here and suggest not many LFC supporters were Brexiteers (weren't Liverpool one of the few cities to go Remain overall?) And even so, I doubt leave LFC supporters are going to boycott the club based on Klopps statement lol. He's European, his sport heavily relies on the free movement of Players, managers etc... it's not like he's calling for Lebensraum
There should be a second referendum. It took 40 years to have second one after we joined, so in another 40 years seems fair. Otherwise we will be entitled to a referendum every few years, unless the minority of the Remain camp who are trying to usurp the result are only going to allow referenda until they get the result they want, then never allow another. And I think everybody can agree that a referendum every few years is just stupid. The Remainers calling for a second referendum because "people have changed their minds" should be careful what they wish for. Polls indicate Scotland has moved towards Brexit, not away from it. But Scotland has been trading more with the rest of the world than the EU for some time now, with nary a **** given about WTO tarriffs, which have been steadily falling. Not that Nicola Sturgeon would tell you that. It did vote Remain, which is odd for such a socialist city. Or maybe not so odd, given that Remain was made out to be the left wing option. Voting against the corporation-loving EU was Faragist, though few Remainers consider themselves casually racist Clarksonists for voting alongside Jeremy. "The EU protects workers' rights" was as big a lie as £350m for the NHS. Perhaps Jurgen needs to read the left-leaning Guardian's business editor, Larry Elliot, on the subject for a bit of balance. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/21/capitalism-fat-cats-brexit-leaving-eu What was most odd to me was finding myself agreeing with Peter Hitchens, which has never happened before, when he said, "We'll go from being half in the EU to being half out of it."
That must have been an I need a shower moment lol. I've been open on here... I voted Remain for purely selfish reasons due to living in NI. Most of our jobs are state jobs...lots relating to EU. The rest are agricultural and fishing again heavily reliant on EU. Our political process is propped up or at least calmed down by the idea of being European rather than Irish or British first. I see a **** load wrong with the EU establishment but until a UK party comes to a general election united behind a clear plan for how to leave and a credible direction the country will take post leaving I'm gonna stick rather than twist. Neither party is at that stage so it will be the half baked cluster **** it currently is.
The clusterfuck nature of it has partly been down to the EU being unwilling to sort out a reasonable deal for fear of causing a domino effect. They can't afford to make it easy. Paul Mason is probably the Guardian's most leftie columnist and he was for Brexit eventually, just not right now. He wanted to wait until we had a Labour government. The problem is that Cameron called the referendum and we can't just put it off until we have a left wing government, which would, as Larry Elliot said, be able to go further than the EU would legally allow. And it was a vote for longer than the term of a government. The way some people reacted, you'd think we'd just voted to have a Tory government in perpetuity. So if we didn't leave with the referendum, we never would. And if we stayed now, the EU would have us by the balls and full political integration becomes a lot closer. There are few Remainers who support full integration. We've been Eurosceptic since we joined, always being dragged along, which is why Hitchens said we've been half in and now we'll be half out. Even Ken Clarke eventually admitted joining the Euro would've been a mistake. We look like being as wishy-washy about it as we've always been. It's only since the referendum that some people have gone all fanatical. NI is a thorny issue but it's not unsolvable. The US-Canada border does $1.5bn of trade every day. The main issue recently has been tightened regulations on both sides to prevent the entry of hazardous materials or contraband. These are fast-changing times, so anybody looking for a clear direction that'll actually happen is going to be waiting a long time. There are always "visions" every election but history has a way of happening despite rhetoric, not because of it. And having a clear plan for post-Brexit is kinda difficult when it's dependent on the negotiations. It's like saying, "Let's just buy all the best players cheaply." Nice vision but it's not gonna happen. Anyway, back on-topic, Mané is from Senegal, Firmino from Brazil and Salah from Egypt. None of these countries are in the EU but that hasn't caused Klopp any problems.
imo the northern lreland border is not about trade really. I'm sure there's lots but trade isn't imo the be all and end all of it. I'm sure it's complex. it's giving terrorists ammunition to recruit new idiots and start ****. imo if theres a border post there will be killings. just my opinion of it. I note with bemusement at the factions abdicating all responsibility and not leading. I can only see one ending to it. our lot certainly dont think it is any sort of.priority
The Irish government has constantly bitched and moaned about trade going over the NI border, especially during holiday periods, due to it being much cheaper than ripoff Ireland Inc. The gov called it "unpatriotic", while they all moved their own assets to Juncker's tax haven in Luxembourg Business wise, the Irish gov and their cronies would love nothing more than to stop that, that's the truth. Trade deals will be worked out with Britain, all this **** is scare tactics, no good deals for both the UK and EU would hurt the EU A LOT Italy might not be far behind.. then who knows. We don't need an EU super state with an insane crazy micromanagement bureaucracy to have trade and cooperation. This sort of centralised politibureau type collectivism has always ended in disaster
Peter Hitchens, ardent Brexiteer though he is, has constantly agitated for a 'Norway solution' since the day after the referendum.
I tend to agree on Peter about a LOT of stuff, especially the point on the current conservative party being anything but actually conservative. Can't agree with him on his answers to the drug problems though, he's out of touch there, by about 40 years
Current Tory Party are not really conservatives, they are a mix of progressives, neo liberals, nutbags, with a sprinkling of actual Tories.
actually a mixture of private schools nonces who are out for themselves and thier ilk. don't try and label them any further than that.
