Off Topic Joshua vs Usyk

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  1. The Arnhem Bridge

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    He gets beat off Usyk every time, imo. If Joshua tries to attack, Usyk will simply pick him off and stop him early next time.
     
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  2. The Arnhem Bridge

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    Fury would demolish Uysk and AJ put together. Joshua is garbage, how anybody can say he's probably the best heavyweight about is mind blowing.

    He's a useless lump with a decent dig. He has no idea how to work his jab, the little guys like Ruiz and Usyk get up and into him way too easy. Big downward spiral for him, now.
     
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  3. Kevin Francis

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    Fair enough, got me bang to rights there
     
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  4. Kevin Francis

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    Fury is so overrated it's unreal. Zero punch power. And a terrible style that hes somehow managed to convince people is the second coming of Ali. AJ might be closer to Frank Bruno than he is mike Tyson but Fury isnt anything special at all.
     
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  5. Nikica Jellyfish

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    Absolutely mental take, any one who sparred him (who actually knows the sport far better then us) waxes lyrical. You don't go away from home and rip belts from champs if you're not special, 6ft 9, moves like a middleweight and weighs 19 stone, freak of nature and this is has been highlighted by EMMANUEL STEWARD. For the record think him and usyk is a 50/50, usyk is a special special fighter and ATG, beats AJ every day of the week and twice on a sunday.
     
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  6. HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)

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    For someone that's supposedly such an amazing boxer he's certainly has a piss poor record, how many Top 10 fighters has he taken on? He's never even defended a title. He beat an ageing Klitschko in an upset victory, then took on a vastly overrated Wilder and was a generous 10 count away from losing that fight.

    He may have all the technical ability in the world, impress everyone he spars with and be a freak of nature but until he takes on the best he'll never be remembered for anything more than his big mouth and ducking fights.
     
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  7. Nikica Jellyfish

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    I think it is important to note chasing the Wlad fight was a different heavyweight landscape to the one adopted by AJ, the chisora fights were good wins, Wallin is ageing well he is a good fighter. Again most importantly he went away from home and took belts from champs. AJ is a product called it from the start, fights way past it midgets, got clarted by 1 and then faced someone actually good and in their prime and got embarassed.

    Usyk is the perfect example of a true boxing champ any way, 10 wins in a row against champion opposition, undisputed cruiser in that killer division then dethrones Bruno 2.0?! what a man.
     
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  8. Nikica Jellyfish

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    Fury absolutely took on the best available to him he took the belts from someone who hadn't lost in 10 years and then took wilders, what are you assuming to be the best if they aren't the best options available? Didn't see AJ step up to fight wilder in america then got smashed by a fat midget in his us debut. To write off wilder is madness also doing what he did to Ortiz is no easy feat, he would give the static AJ major problems.
     
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  9. Kalman

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    Agree with everything you said until you said Wilder is good. Wilder is a terrible boxer with a powerful right hand. Ortiz actually outboxed him every round and Wilder got the KO.
     
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    Klitschko was still well beyond his peak when Fury fought him and Wilder has never been good, he's a one trick pony that fights bums and he still nearly beat Fury. In the time Fury took on no-names like Wallin, Schwarz, Pianeta and Seferi, AJ was putting his titles on the line against Parker, Povetkin, Takam, Pulev and Usyk, there's no comparison.

    I'm not saying AJ is a better fighter than Fury by the way, but he does take harder fights. Fury has a reputation beyond his record and talks a good game but until he backs it up and defends his titles against the best he'll be overhyped.

    Completely agree on Usyk, he's head and shoulders above both Fury and AJ.
     
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  11. Nikica Jellyfish

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    Not a good boxer but got to credit that right hand it is utterly frightening haha
     
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  12. Nikica Jellyfish

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    Agree to disagree I suppose not at all impressed with eithers resume on a whole just think Tyson has the better wins and big moments, AJ a lot of 2-0s against Everton and Newcastle but never mixed it up at the Nou Camp haha

    Wallin was a decent win I think he gives Whyte nightmares, Seferi and Pianeta not the best but bloe was coming back after 3 years out.
     
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    End of the day the heavyweight division is currently ****e, Joshua and fury haven't fought anyone decent. Both beat a past it klitchsko and fury beat a very limited but big puncher in wilder. Joshua has beat err......very limited hand picked smaller fighters.
    Lewis would have stopped them both back in his day.
     
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  14. Kalman

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    Fury is arguably the best technical boxer in heavyweight but I agree with others in that he hasn’t taken the difficult fights. AJ might be the next Frank Bruno but at least he’ll fight genuine gatekeepers and challengers.
     
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    I'll say it again, because I can't believe some of the opinions on here.

    You might not think Wilder is a good gauge, but come on, Fury didn't just beat him, he did it whilst smiling in his face for the whole fight.

    You can't do that unless you're a ****ing very good fighter.
     
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  16. Nikica Jellyfish

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    All a facade, fights old men who are past it and smaller blokes. Hell even Usyk had to go through legal teams to enforce it as they knew it was a fight they didn't want. Fact is he has had all time in the world to grow some balls and go take the belt from Wilder and he didn't, Fury went on a bender, got fit again and jumped straight into it after a couple of tune ups.

    The concept of "GateKeeper" is mental anyway, lot of Fury's career was in a totally different landscape to AJ, filled with similar fighters who were challenging Wlad for the title at the time. Chisora undefeated when he beat him, Hammer rank 3, Pianeta whilst not very good was a title challenger at one point so an adequate tune up. Wallin win is aging well after he beat Breazeale and i think he will do well against Whyte.

    End of the day, AJ never went and took a belt, which is the essence of being a champion, he stepped up into a truly 50/50 style fight and got embarassed.
     
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  17. Kevin Francis

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    Come on mate! Agree to a point that Fury has the better big wins but his overall resume isn't even close to AJs. On his big wins though he didn't beat klit with some master-class. He boxed like some type of mad praying mantis and compleley baffled and stifled him in a terrible fight to watch. I truly believe that if he hadn't have been pinged for roids and subsequently pretended to have mental health issues (something which I find utterly dispicaple but that's another debate) then vlad would have done him comfortably in the rematch.
     
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  18. Kevin Francis

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    By the way, just a quick note. Wilder was offered 50 mill to fight AJ. He rejected it and took the Fury fight instead as he thought is would be easier as Fury had been inactive for so long. Wilder even admitted it.

    https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/...er-video-tyson-fury-anthony-joshua-fight/amp/
     
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  19. Nikica Jellyfish

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    All ifs buts and maybes but yeah excellent point on the Wilder scenario. Shouldn't have to be discussing it like this should just have a super series or tourney.

    Think all fighters have question marks surrounding them, refreshing to have Usyk taking all the belts anyway.
     
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  20. HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)

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    Nice analogy, although I don't think either fighter has been to the Nou Camp, this era of heavy weight boxing is Europa League at best!
     
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