Interesting article in Give Me Sport, outlining Joses' actions at his last 4 Clubs. First time at Chelsea he brought in Carvalho Ferriera, Drogba and Alex. Out went Glen Johnson, Huth, Sidwell and Parker. In other words, out with the youth ,in with the old. Jose got success, but left an ageing team in decline. Then Milan. He wouldn't play Ballotelli or Stanton, and again brought in experienced players. Success again followed, and again he left an ageing team, now broke, and 9th in Italy. At Real he was not allowed to do his usual and had limited success. Now back at Chelsea, almost all the youngsters groomed by RDM and FSW are gone on loan. Lukaku must wait another year, yet in came Eto'o. Bertrand, Moses, Kakuta, Romeu and Courtois won't feature. Chalobah, and several others can be added to the list. The old guard plays most games, Mata hasn't kicked a ball in anger. History repeating itself?? Will he again win trophies with experience, then leave a team behind with run down youth development ??? Make up your own minds, for mine, I don't think so. I do think he's not bringing on enough of our youth, and I don't particularly like the negative tactics and safety first subs. Was hoping for more flair and a far more adventurous approach. Perhaps we will see it when these Internationals are done with, certainly hope so.
I can see where the article is coming from. But take his first stay, we had a piss poor youth system and the players you mentioned (maybe with the exception of glen johnson) simply never reached a level of a top 2-3 side. Therefore they weren't good enough so Jose was probably right not to use them more. Parker was alright but was bought after we already had Makalele (probably best ever in that role). As for now, it's very early days but we have a lot of youth gaining valuable experience on loan and a much better youth set up. Jose doesn't have to chuck em all in now but it'll be inexcusable if a handful dont make an impact in the next 2-3 years. For instance with Lukaku, is it better for his development that he is 2nd, 3rd choice on our bench or getting a load of games at a top 10 side like Everton?
Trouble is instant success is required So jose will go with what he thinks has the best chance of PL or CL glory and that means experience will triumph over youth
1. Johnson, Huth and Sidwell hardly had sparkling careers in front of them when Mourinho arrived in England, and Parker was 25 when he took over at Chelsea; 2. Mourinho has never managed Milan; 3. When he managed Inter, he left them as European Champions. Clearly they weren't that bloody old; 4. Eto'o wouldn't have signed for you had it not been for your failure to get 27-year-old Wayne Rooney
He left Inter with a squad built around two players, aging. They've been trying unsuccessfully to revamp their squad ever since (which several managers have suffered for/not been good enough to do). Look at their signing of Kovacic etc - it's why a lot of their fans couldn't understand Coutinho leaving too.
Duff and Robben were young when he was playing them, weren't they He's not exactly the kind of manager to bring through young players but he does from time to time. It's a mystery why he doesn't like Mata though, quality player.
Be fair, that's in no way Mourinho's problem. He's hired to win trophies, not 'build the foundations' for the next manager. In 2009-10 they were the first Italian side to win the Treble, and you can hardly ask much more of a manager than that.
When I was first a blue, nearly all our players came through our youth system! Drake's Duckings I remember them being called, and then The Doc intoducing them wholesale and sending us to the top of the 1st Division in no time! We're now in a game where money dictates our activity and where youth can only be introduced sparingly and then only where there is exceptional talent! Success is the be all and end all now!
Its what you get with Ego, people do things for their own cap. That said, Loaning out young players is definately the thing to do if they are not going to get regular game time. Lost of players have been loaned out for you but will come back better players of greater resale value. Makes good squad and financial sense. If however, once they reach the appropriate level and Jose still goes and brings in high earning oldies then it will cease to be worthwhile. I dont know what will happen with Jose over the coming years. In the past he seems to only stay at clubs for a couple of years and then move on, but he has achieved almost everything at club level and unless he has thoughts of moving into international management I cant see why he would want to leave Chelsea, (Urgo, if Chelsea are to be sustainable in the future, he needs to use the youth.)
Our youth set up during Jose's first reign was bad. There weren't any promising youths coming through at the time really. He clearly feels our current youths are not ready to make the step up this year and in most cases I agree. I felt Lukaku could have gotten a run this year, but I have to trust Jose knows better, and he will get great experience in a decent side like Everton.
Talking of youth v experience, did anyone hear that no nothing numpty gooner on talk sport this morning moaning about last night? He said basically we are relying on the same old players and he'd have dropped Lampard and Gerrard for Rodwell and Barkley last night. When questioned whether their lack of expereince would have been costly in such an important game he responded with the cliche that if they are good enough they should start. Then when questioned how come the u21 did so bad if the young players we so good, he said it was because they lacked experience!! Oh, and he also said we'd not win things unless we had more technically gifted midfields (true) but used Arsenal as an example (yes that team that has won nothing for 8 years with very technically gifted midfielders!!) FFS.
As I posted a month or so ago read this article (The Inter bit) http://www.ecaeurope.com/Research/ECA Report on Youth Academies/ECA Report on Youth Academies.pdf
The Inter team when Mourinho took over was an aging team already. Toldo- 38 Córdoba- 32 Janetti- 35 Materazzi- 35 Samuel- 30 Stankovic- 30 Figo- 35 Viera- 32 Cruz - 33 Crespo- 33 That's 10 players over 30 when Mourinho arrived and there were a number of players who were getting close to 30. Also you say Balotelli didn't play but he certainly did he played in 37 games in Mourinho's first season then 46 in his 2nd and Balotelli would have been 18/19 then. Santon didn't play as much as Balotelli but he did get game time.
Bertrand is our only back up lb so I,m sure he'll play. Mata started against Villa so I hope that counts as 'in anger'. Of course the injury he's admitted to carrying might also have something to do with it.
Well, very interesting replies from everyone. Although I was only the messenger, I expected to get a serious bollocking from the board!! Instead, well considered opinions and NO abuse !! Looks like Districts plea for sensible debate is winning out .
this is really good stuff.. nice sensible debate.. Jose gave Ricci, Deco et al chances in their youth in Porto. Vernae, Morata, Callejon were always featured in Madrid. as far as i am concerned, whether he makes or breaks our youth will be known not this year or in 3 years, but over several years if he stays..
Think at Porto playing youth is a necessity. Callejon is hardly young. Varane got in for Pepe being injured and Carvalho being phased out didn't he? Then luckily proved to be an exceptional player. One of the main criticisms of Jose in Spain was that he didn't play Morata or Jese Rodriguez enough. Agree that you have soon real talents - Ake in particular, then Chalobah and Piazon definitely.
