Joint statement

from brb & Minxy

Having spent many hours on this issue new information has come to light re the numerous banned personas of Gimme.

Brb has always disagreed with the reinstatement of Busy Bee or Gimme on the Watford board, feeling the decision by H to try and get him reinstated is totally disrespectful to the QPR mods. They do not interfere the Watford board politics and the Watford mods should not be interfering in their's.

The site rules albeit on the mod board have worked effectively for a long time. Supermods are privileged to a lot of private discussions and site information that the Watford mods have no justified reason to be aware.

Decisions have been made in the past on other boards where the super-mods have come under intense pressure from a community to change decisions for completely different reasons. When the super-mods were eventually able some months later to reveal the circumstances...people thought s**t we didn't know this.

We believe the request for reinstatement of Gimme is well intentioned but without the full facts people should leave the site administration to complete their tasks without interference.

The decisions sometimes might not seem right but neither should our or other elected mod positions be undermined.

Therefore we are not going to re-instate Gimme / Busy Bee / andrewqpr / QPR FOREVER / r’ssole or any other persona we may have missed.

 

Who are we dealing with here ! Our mods don't have justified reason etc. Followed by 'revealing circumstances' and revealing of full facts etc I say who are we dealing with here the NSA ? Why was an option offered and then withdrawn at this late hour ? How has our mod been disrespectfull to QPR mods ? We have never asked for reinstatement on their board and would never venture such a thing. Sorry about this outburst - but I have not been so annoyed in a long time. But - the Gods have spoken. The tone of this, with reference to being `privileged to a lot of private discussions`and that we should not interfere etc. reminds me of a petty dictatorship. Put shortly the whole thing sucks Mr. brb

 

I must say that I am amazed by this statement. The compromise was deliberately worded to not offend or be disrespectful of the QPR mods. The point was made that he should only be allowed to use the Watford board using the BB name. Did the QPR mods ask that he shouldn't be allowed to use the Watford board? If they did I would suggest that they were trying to interfere with the running of ours. I don't think you should lay this problem at the door of our mods, but your inflexible rules. When I see statements about facts are known, but they are not available to you, it really raises my hackles. It is the sort of statement you get from politicians when they backed into a corner. In one of your previous responses to me you said that you tried to be transparent. Not too sure how that sits with this statement.

 

If you need to blame someone for this uncomfortable situation please let it be me

I made the mistake of offering a solution that went against our site rules, for very stupid reasons.

Because of the lengthy conversations that it had started I spent this afternoon reading though andrewqpr / gimme / r'ssole / qpr forever posts ..... all banned posters all the same person (2 of which I wasn't previously aware of)

this was the type of comment that caught my attention

on a thread re Masters Football

wasn't overly impressed but was hoping not to have to share the information with you all as it is disrespectful in the extreme

However I truly respect OFH & would like him to know we have given great thought to this decision ..... someone who has been banned from the board 4 times is possibly doing something wrong

I offered to stand down as super-mod over this but brb isn't keen to lose me as sometimes I get things right

So please direct all you anger toward me and not brb

 

Minxy, I do not and will not blame you. You went along with our feelings that he had not offended us greatly and were prepared to compromise in the same way that I was. I am sure that over the years he has wracked up a bad reputation, and he has irritated some of our members. Not with the normal things that would justify a ban, as we would have requested a ban at the first sign of him saying things that we know to be unacceptable. You quote a statement that he made, but I would suggest that some of the flak that came our way when our current owners took over was just as bad, and no one complained about that.

What has now come across is that our debated request is to be ignored. You have done what you believe is the right thing, and gone by your own rule book which we don't see. It has only just been explained what is in it relating to this, but what else is there that we don't know about.

Sorry to speak in this way, but I thought that this was a site that was democratic and was organized for the team boards to operate in the way that best suited the members. It will differ from team to team, but they can agree what suits them. Clearly this is not entirely the case.

 

Thank you for your contribution Resurgam and I think you make some fair points. However, and there is always one of those, I don't have time to read around other boards, but you make my point that fans of other clubs choose to operate their forum in the way that suits them. I am interested in Watford, our forum, the genuine contributions and sometimes smile or ignore the WUMs who find the way to the site. Our suggestion was simple. The poster in question had not done anything more than irritate some of our members, and was thought to be worth a chance of showing he could behave. There were conditions, which if you have read the whole thread you will know about. Having received approval from the supermods I was pretty disgusted when they went back on it. There is clearly a whole web of messages being passed around behind the backs of the ordinary member. Not very democratic. The next step is us not having a say in who should be the mod on our site, but have them appointed from above.

 

I've had my final say on the mod board - goodnight

 

Sadly the quote seems to have been taken out of context. In fact, gth had wanted to come to our play off final game to support Watford but that is by the by. This is now getting hugely out of hand. Watford mods are very lucky. We never ask anything of the supermods because we never have to. We don't get involved in site politics because we never have to. Our board is fortunate to have a wonderful bunch of posters who are respectful and courteous to each other and also to any who come visiting. GTH, annoying as he can be at times to some, has never broken site rules on our board and apparently was only accused of doing so with one handle on the QPR board. As has been said, the QPR board is not our business and we will not comment on the rights and wrongs of that case. However, since it seems that our acceptance of the offer is now going to be ignored then it would appear that our posters have had their time and energy wasted. What a shame it is that a good and reasonable discussion that resulted in a democratic decision should be turfed out because of an apparent mistake.

 

Clearly it is the Watford board that is causing the trouble by challenging the protocols and systems set up for the smooth running of this site. It is the Watford board that seems to want to accept someone who is unacceptable to other boards, and therefore challenging their rights. It is the Watford board that arguing with the super-mods and making their jobs even more difficult.

Perhaps the solution is to quarrentine the Watford board. No-one affiliated to the Watford board should be allowed to post on other boards, and no-one from other boards should be allowed to post on The Watford board. In this way the disruptive and, frankly, anti-social attitudes expressed on the Watford board will not be able to cause mayhem elsewhere, and people from elsewhere will not be corrupted with unorthodoxy. Superhoops, or whatever he chooses to call himself, can then become a member of the Watford board without causing any disruption on other boards, and stew with his fellow conspititors in their ghetto of unco-operativeness.

 

We are the Ebola of Not606 !!

 

Great idea ...... You may have your way yet as I for one am sick to death of trying to mod not606.

Brb & I have been discussing resigning for several months now as it is impossible to do right for doing wrong.

I need to get back to being a poster & saying what I think with no regard to people's feelings

If any of you wish to put yourself forward as supermods now would be your chance to show us how democracy really works ..... I once was naive enough to think it could work too

 

I'm sorry Minxy, my posting was unjustifiable. I appreciate that you do a very difficult job and can do without Smart Alec jibes from the likes of me. It is apparent that you have had a lot of trouble from the banned poster in a variety of forms, and we have only seen a small part of it.

 

I am so annoyed, I have to voice this and bugger the consequences, brb, you are completely out of order calling H disrespectful, I know why you've done it, but I suggest that your statement is itself extremely disrespectful, I would love you to highlight any post she has made that shows one iota of disrespectability, I won't hold my breath because I know it doesn't exist!

 

Well u clearly know how to run the site better and can commit the time...good luck with that

 

And thats an unbias comment...yeah right

 

Totally unbiased!

 

Oh naturally i believe u dave!

Im resiging anyway dave so you h can make it all nice and cosy for her mate gimme...at least we did ban our mates as supermods and not fit the rules around them. earned more respect like that then you both ever will.

 

as far as I can tell you all seem like a bunch of troublemakers and we don't want you to visit the Barnsley board

unless of course you start to behave yourselves