Well they have made the bench mark, so have to be consistent.... I seem to be the only one who think it's all gone to far, and blown out of all proportion.
Not according to Anton mate. The police must think there's a lot in it to take it to the CPS, so it's now upto them to decide whether it go's to court. Time will tell. Suarez was charged by the FA, this is a whole different ball game.
Maybe mate, i'm caught in two minds over this whole racial thing....as it only ever seems to rule in favour of certain races... Can a simple word like black, asain etc be deemed more offensive than ****, twat etc? Is it any worse than Rooney running up to a camera and yelling "**** off" to the world watching inc...kids.. The words Suarez said, may not be deemed racial in his country... Remember the days of Alf Garnett etc...
Its all about context isn`t it? Calling a good mate who is black a "dumb N" in jest when he drops a pint over the pub table is so far removed from referring to someone you don`t know as a "Black Bastard" if he annoys you for some reason that you can`t look at them in the same light. I`ve got many different coloured mates - in our group it is "acceptable" for one of us to use what would otherwise be racist language to another member of the group - we all do it, none of us get offended. Similarly though none of us would ever dream of using the same words to people who are not in our group or, indeed, to use such language if matters get heated between us (normally the Arsenal/Spurs debate plus 8 pints sparks this!). Terry is in trouble - had those words been used in the way he apppeared to use them (he denies things remember!) the person using them would have faced some sort of charge - raciallly motivated public order stuff I`d guess. FA stuff on top of that in due course. Happy days!
I think it is far more rare that people with so-called white skin (as it's not really white at all) face racist remarks, but if they were, then the culprits should face the same charges as if it was done against people with non-white skin. The trouble is that when it does happen, it appears to not get the same response from the police etc. For example, my brother was referred to as 'chalky' by a large group of black youths, and when he reported this to the police, they were just not interested. As for Terry, I feel that with his remarks been caught on camera (lip readers will be able to portray exactly what he has said), he will rightly be charged over this.
Personally I think the book should be thrown at anyone found to be using such language. I agree the likes of Rooney swearing at the camera is bad too and should be dealt with more harshly than it is, but when it comes to racism the Police/FA MUST come down on this as hard as they possibly can. The thing about it not being as bad in his country doesn't wash with me. He is in the UK so must abide by our law.
It's not for us to make the laws on what is racist or not though Comm. I remember Alf Garnett & Love Thy Neibour but times have moved on. I don't agree with all the political correctness bollocks but thank God things have improved a lot in this respect since the 80's. Ask Cyril Regis. Trouble is, some folk think racism is all one way & I can assure everyone that it is not.
It's a tricky one mate, we've both been round the blocks a few times, are prone to using colourful language... It just seems a few words that cause a stink...when it suits... Now as people read this, some may deem me a racist... But what is racism really? Should we stop calling them NE1 dirty geordie twats? What about Bent being called a Judas money gradbbng cnut? Seems many are willing to cast a stone, in the perfect world.....
I was staying in Glasgow one time when a young lad was kidnapped off the streets by a group of Asian lads. His name was Kriss Donald. They drove him around the city then to Dundee & back to Glasgow. They took him to a back lane near Celtic Park, kicked **** out of him then set him on fire & burned him to death. The reason? Because he was white. Thankfully, they all got massive sentences but it wasn't even reported in the English press until after the verdicts came through. We live in a nasty, vindictive world.
Much of which goes un-noticed mate.... That's a bad story there, and probably happens more often than people know....hence my caution on words...sticks and stones and all that.
I think the reason that these recent incidents have blown up this far is because of blatters remarks and hoe the fa responded to them. Racism of any description is wrong in my opinion, but we all know it happens week in week out at football grounds up and down the country from grass roots Sunday league to the epl.. How many of us have sat in the crowd and hear some ignorant sod shout something about a a useless pass or shout and throw in a description of the players colour or creed? Thankfully those people are in the minority.. But on the pitch those men are idols for millions of kids who dream of being footballers. They get paid an extrordinary amount of money for the priviledge of doing something they would do for free. They have a responsibility to act in an appropriate manner and so do the managers and the clubs who employ them. I have just read a tweet from kenny dalglish saying how disappointed he is with the verdict and how Suarez needs our full support (guessing that's aimed at lfc fans)... I always liked kenny but surely he should be taking a stand against racism and saying they will abide by the FA's ruling and also deal with the matter internally as that sort of behaviour is unexeptable and brings the football club into disrepute?
Does anyone know if the FA are involved to open a case if Terry is found guilty by the police or as he's the England captain is they a disguised rule in the FA's "England players" notebook meaning they don't have to slap the same ban and fine that they give to Suarez?
I think if it did go to court and Terry was found guilty the FA would have to act. Knowing them it could probably be as much as a £10 fine!
I see what people are saying but I just want to throw another piece of the jigsaw on the table; Obvioulsy context is important but also history - racial insults against people of colour carry a huge baggage of oppression, slavery and unfair treatment. It's as much about who had/has real power than just the colour of skin. Also I'm pretty sure if a white person is racially abused they have the same recourse to law... I think there are a lot of apocryphal stories about justice being one sided and so many of the stories about 'black guys racially abusing white guys' are used as an excuse for the ongoing racisim towards black guys. Aside: Insults against NE1 are clearly not racist as postcode location is not a race ... as it happens neither are the French, Germans, Americans or British. I'm not a big fan of national steryotypes but these are not races and insults based on nationality should not be considered racist IMO
Well he now faces criminal charges as the CPS have publicly stated. If he gets found guilty & I stress if, I wonder what sort of punishment he could face from the courts, let alone the FA. Any lawyers get on here?
But has anyone got a true defination of racism? Call someone a ****er or twat.....but then throw in a remark about their skin colour?
