So... This forum has been filled with a fair bit of anger towards Joe Allen this week and it has inspired me to make this epic V thread. Midfielder V Midfield Little Guy V Little Guy Allen V Spearing Joe Allen's passing and movement is far superior. But Spearing is probably stronger and much better going into a tackle. Plus he is from Liverpool. Which do you think would have coped better in yesterdays match? Joe Allen Or Jay Spearing GO
One was free vs 15 million as well. Two different players as you pointed out. Allen for me is just a ball mover, CM. Spearing will only ever be a DM, a little pitbull in the middle.
I had doubts about Allen when we signed him but considering he is young and has never played for a club the size of Liverpool I will give him until next season until I judge him completley. It was a bizzare decision yesterday by Brenda to start Allen instead of Hendo, thats for sure.
Spearing would have been well up for the game yesterday. At the very least he would been constantly pressuring and nipping at United's midfield.
I think Rodgers needs to start buying players who are used to the big stage, at big clubs. Kenny bought players like Carroll, Adam, Henderson, Suarez and Downing. Only Suarez and Enrique have really come on leaps and bounds. Suarez - played for Nacional, biggest club in Uruguay I believe and captained Ajax - he has that big club, high expectation experience. The rest of those signings do not have that experience and it shows through their lack of confidence, and play with fear. I know it's only been two games but Sturridge seems to have settled in fine. The Man City and Chelsea experiences have helped him and he seems well suited to the high pressure and expectations on his shoulders. I would have though Sahin would have been a good signing but I presume he struggled with the physical side.
I'm a fan of Allen and have said on many occasions that I think he will become a very good player for us so I'm quite biased on the subject. The ball mover or shuffler tag is correct but shouldn't be a stick to beat him with. He moves the ball with intent his passing is usually quick and acurate therefore moving the players infront of him around istead of letting them get set and park the bus. He should be given time by us fans. On the v Spearing subject it's Allen for me, now if this thread had a poll it would be much more fun.
I remember at the start of the season. Allen would receive the ball, control it instantly and move it on perfectly. Now, he seems to hold onto the ball far too long and has lost that crispness to his all round play. Perhaps that may be down to the lack of available teammates to pass it to? But I also feel that most clubs know that we like to play from the back so they will pressure our defence a lot more, thus leaving less space and time to work with.
I think it was more to do with him not given a proper run of games, and even when he played, it was not his preferred position. He obviously needed some time to get used to the rigors of the PL, 7 games is clearly not enough and playing him as an AMC was just downright stupid. He obviously lacks the pace and has never played in that position before. I still feel we let go of a very talented player.
Me too. I'm a big fan of Sahin but I get the impression that he wasn't willing to fight for his position and force himself into the team. The reason I say that is because Henderson was clearly not liked by Rodgers and he even tried to shift him on as a part of the Demsey deal. But since then, Henderson seems to have worked hard and found some form and forced himself into the team. Rodgers wants fighters and players with desire at this club and I trust his judgement. We all dream of a team of Suarez's!
Allen will come good...no doubt about that. Just give him time. As for little Jay Spearing, I thought he took a lot of stick from fans. He wasn't good enough but the lad gave his all
Allen could be our next Lucas. He has showed poor form up until now for us; but he clearly has a good amount of ability. I feel what we are witnessing at the moment is a lack of experience, age and he generally has moved from one club with (trying to phrase this correctly, sorry Swansea fans) little expectation and not a great deal of pressure. He is now in a side with expectation matching those of the Champions and enhanced media pressure due to reporters, pundits being brought up in the Liverpool Era. I think it is question of: has Allen got a mentality strong enough to actually make it at our club? The mentality which Lucas had to actually play to his strengths. This I am unsure about at the moment, but I would not say no just yet. Spearing Rant I am appalled that people are actually comparing Allen to Spearing who when played for the side made us relegation candidates. Spearing does not lack spirit or mentality and is not phased by the pressure like Allen no.... But he has no ability what so ever and would be in my eyes a squad player for Blackburn or Reading. It also sickens me that the only reason people ever favored him (even Kenny) was because he was a "local lad". At the time we seemed to care more about developing average local players than actually looking at real youth prospects. For example Ince or Pacheco. I for one am Glad under Rodgers that our youth players seem to be judged on there ability more than anything else.
Jay Spearing was criticised way too much by fans for, what was at the time, decent performances - no worse than what the rest of the team offered. I still remember the Spucas partnership from Dalglish's half season where our midfield dominated every game... Better than Allen? Many would say no, I would say they'd both be useful squad players, in different capacities. Ones passes endlessly around our half, the other tackles then passes it to someone else before he loses it.
That's amongst the biggest load of crap I've read on this board on a long time - from a supporter as well! Did you even watch the first half season when Dalglish returned? That 'half wit of a footballer' was part of one of the most dominating midfields over those few months, having a great partnership with Lucas and propelling us back up to a semi-respectable position rather than languising in 17th like Hodgson. It's idiotic to say he only has spirit when clearly he must have more. Sure, he's not a ****ing global team of the year candidate, but your exaggerations are absurd.
What does that matter when comparing them...? The transfer fee isn't their fault and it doesn't automatically mean they are a better or worse player either
Just adding another Vs. to it was all. Different positions anyway. YOu sure about that? It means Allen is 4 million better than Alonso, duh.
