I don't really know the answer tbh but this has popped into my head a few times over the last 12 months so thought I'd stick it on here.... Gerrard leads by example and as the years progress, he'll do this less. The squad BR inherited had leaders like Reina, Agger and Carra as well as a younger Gerrard and a Suarez who was about to enter the realms of world class. Suarez has gone and BR could do nothing about that. However, could he have tried harder to keep Carra? Surely, it would have led to the title last year? As for Reina and Agger....both were once touted as LFC captains. Both good at what they do, both organisers, both winners. In an era where true leadership is hard to come by for us, should he have kept them? It's all very well coaching kids and improving them; Is BR only comfortable managing players who don't have something to say?
Keep Carra FFS? Reina became **** and Agger was always injured FSGs profile of young talent probably limits the ability to bring in leadership The development of Henderson to guaranteed starter and vice-captain under Rodgers has been fantastic
I think so. As you rightly point out just look at the players he's let go, were they all a challenge to him stamping his authority .... probably.
I completely agree with this. I do think he has a problem with players who are outspoken and stand up to him. As evidenced by the players he has let go. I don't mind the likes of Reina, Agger and Carra going because they simply past their sell by date - the problem is that he didn't replace them with proper leaders. The fact he thinks Lovren is a leader is ridiculous. Plus he probably assumes that Skrtel and Johnson are senior players therefore they must be 'leaders' by default.
Also worth mentioning that they have all pointed the finger at Rodgers [actually not sure if Carra has but he wasn't looking forward to the way it seemed to be going ... bench]. BR is a young[ish] manager finding his way, but he needs to accept help rather than thinking he knows best.
That! Yes, we coped without him last year but that was down to a combination of two things; outscoring the opposition and Suarez having leadership skills, both vocally and by example. This year, we have no leader.
You all appear to be mixing things up here. A team manager is not usually a leader. He sets the standard and decides upon the personnel and the tactics. As soon as the players cross the line, a manager has little or no chance to take a leadership role as he has to rely upon others on the pitch to do that. What we have lacked is somebody with the personality and/or desire to make sure that what the manager wants actually happens on the pitch. Gerrard has never been a forceful. He had both the skill and desire to inspire others with his own performance but he was/is never a general demanding things of his troops. Carra was a leader - but only of the back 4 with his constant talking, cajoling and commitment to his defensive duties. For Rodgers, Suarez was the perfect leader He did what was asked of him but in his own way with is own flair and demanding that others gave him the ball how and where he wanted it! We no longer have Suarez and we have no 'king' on the pitch. When did you ever see Gerrard telling another player to "pull their ****ing finger out!"? You did see that from Suarez. So if leadership is Rodgers problem then you can blame him for believing the myth that Gerrard is the real club's leader. It may well be that we will not see a true leader merge form our existing ranks but I doubt that we will until Gerrard is no longer there. Nobody is big enough or strong enough to take the responsibility.
I'm afraid that I disagree. The organsiation of our defence was diabolical last year, much as it has been this year. We didn't cope without him. Had we, we would have won the league imo.
I think what we're all saying is that Rodgers is responsible for us not having any leadership on the pitch because he's got rid of any potential leaders, not that he's a leader himself. Gerrard has been the talisman and sometimes a leader - Istanbul? But there's no vocal, forceful leader as you rightly say.
Was last season better or worse than the previous one and the current one...? I rest my case your honour
this is somewhat true. it is true that the men on the pitch must be men and the senior men must take on responsibility and drive things when the game is on, however the manager sets the disciplinary and ethos tone for the club. mourinho... utter and total work ethic, bad losers, no morality when it comes to snide fouling and gaining any advantage. Inter, real, chelsea all bear the hallmarks in his time.... what a manager wants i suppose is a pepe, or a terry, a perfect example of the managers beliefs out there doing it. i totally agree on everything you have said on gerrard. the guys on the pitch deliver but the manager has to set the tone for said delivery
The defence was a shambles last season as well. Had we not had a world class attack, they would have been exposed far more. But the early goals we scored changed the dynamics of the game.
Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren, Gerrard, Lucas, Toure, Lambert - I think Rodgers thinks that with age comes leadership. Suarez was definitely a leader - someone who demanded more from the players around him. I don't think I've seen anyone shouting at a teammate for a mistake this season?
LFC.... real leaders kuyt.. never shirked his job. ran ran ran... Alosno... alays topped distance ran, never stepped out of a tackle, always covered everyone... we have no one like him Mascherano... heart and toughness Hyppia... big man big heart Carragher. sweeper and organiser lets face it the rest aorund those like gerrard, torres, risse, even arbeloa or finnan were not leaders but were highly effective. but those you could rely on utterly every week. LFC have NOBODY like them. henderson might if played where he is now ar right side run all day and be effective. Lucas plays his own game but does nothing like a masch or alonso. toure aint carrgher. this article does highlight the players are a mix of very raw youth and experiecned players who would'nt inspire anyone to run a but more. look at coutinho v stoke.. last year if he turned his back on a guy running towards his won corner squarez would have bitten him... this year, nobody said a word and rodgers got the sub ready... then gave the lad a pat on the back
Last season was better only because of the brilliance of Suarez and Sturridge. Brilliance, not leadership; two very different things. We have neither in the team now so our lack of leadership and basic organisation is costing us. FFS, Toure is looking like the best chance we have to organise and lead the team from the back.
Its a fair point we are lacking leaders. Skrts has some leadership qualities, but he doesn't lead by example and makes mistakes. As others have said, Gerrard leads by example generally, not vocally. Hendo does; the others are too sheepish though, almost like they know their position in the first team is not secure, so they're not in a position to start telling people off - plus they're not playing well enough.
Rubbish! Suarez clearly lead from the front. Leadership comes in different forms. Luis lead the pressuring approach, he lead the energetic, free moving fast football approach too. He was also quick to tell his teammates if they'd do something wrong or how they could improve. He was a leader for us. Obviously not an organiser which is more the leadership quality being talked about in this thread. I'll use Gerrard as an example. He was captain and considered a leader but it was through his brilliance on the pitch, not his vocal skills! He certainly isn't capable of organising the team, especially the defence, he is good at motivating his teammates. Same thing as Suarez!
