Ellis has been here a few years now, and has gradually reduced his spending as the seasons have gone by. Mon was the last man to have some proper cash, and after spending a combined total of £32 million on fletcher, Johnson and graham, maybe short has decided enough is enough. He limited paulo to free transfers and a small lump of cash. Come January when we were relegation bound, he only gave poyet 2-3million. So his spending has completely calmed. Is short just happy to survive every year and hope we have a good cup run? And if so as fans, are we willing to settle for that with our 40k average attendance. If short's spending has stopped, is it time for him put the club up for sale and seek us some proper investment?
First it was Poyet at the world cup, now it's Short. Let's hear your answer first then, should he sell up?
Well it's a difficult one. Because like some gustuvo said, be careful what you wish for. If he could find someone with deeper pockets that cares for the clubs tradition ect, I'd have someone else all day.. I'm tired of watching underperforming players each year, and would love some proper investment.
And yes they are the 2 most important people at the club, so it makes sense to talk about them.. Wouldn't be no good starting a thread about the cleaner would there.
Sure if he put it up for sale, some Asian would be interested. I would like him to spend a bit more mind, but he ain't as rich as many of the other owners.
Serious question, apart from thier off field antics, what is the difference between Short and Ashley? Both bought clubs that had debts. Both have put that debt on themselves Both have balanced the books Both try to break even at least in the transfer market every season (apart from Mon season) No one can say anything bad about Short but no one can say anything good about Ashley.
Short has put his own money into the club, and although he is hasn't got anything like the resources that the Man City and Chelsea owners have, he does seem to have the clubs interests at heart, so I'm quite happy with him.
ES has had his fingers badly burned over the last few seasons so its understandable if it appears he doesn't wish to throw any more money into the fire. Imo GP is the first (sane) manager we've had on the upward side of a managerial career with genuine ambition to better himself (and therefore by extension, the club) in many a year. I'm hoping that, given the late success in the league last season, following a trip to Wembley, which must have had some positive effects on ES, that ES will loosen the purse strings a little this summer, and we will see some quality signings. On that basis, for me, now's not the time to ask your question, the end of this coming season will be the time to look back and ask.
Poyet had lengthy discussions with Ellis Short in March and at the end of the season. The meetings were intended to assure Poyet that the club will back him as he tries to take us to "the next level". I assume guarantees from the owner were forthcoming because the manager is still Gus Poyet.
If Short goes we are in the ****. Why do fans continually question this blokes commitment? He has made some poor decisions but has acted quickly and decisevely to rectify them. He HAS already invested in us and has bailed us out 4 seasons in a row. I'm bloody grateful we have him tbh and long may he stay. I rate him as one of the best 2 or 3 owners in British football.
I have to say I have a lot of time for Ellis. He seems like a decent bloke and he's found out the hard way that shelling out big bucks doesn't always buy you quality. Our 40k average doesn't mean jack next to the TV money and now all of the Prem clubs have beans to spend. Short is no doubt aware of the dangers of a bidding war and it's very easy to spend a lot and not get what you hoped (see Spurs last season).
I think this is a very fair debating point, personally. Unquestionably Ellis has been wonderful for the club, but the only way to stride on is to bite the bullet, pay wages, and sign better players. The club has done fantastically commercially, we are listed as one of the biggest earning clubs on the planet now, despite having gone 40 years without a trophy, and that is a huge credit to the marketing and commercial teams. Next step though, is the big one, to move from perennial also rans somebody has to go big on the investment in the playing side. Great that the academy is being developed, but that could be 3-4 years to see results, if the club was brave, we could sign 4-5 players now and look at top 10, £2million per place bonus says that's gotta be worth the punt. We could sign, in theory, Alonso, Lescott, Borini, Ki (don't want him, just filling my point...), and someone like Bruma, who we were gonna get on loan pre injury. We'd have balance and ability, and it would cost, including wages, about £50 million to do. We get £70 million or so just for being in the league, the more attractive you become, more live games, more money. The better you do, more paper inches, more revenue. When we were going down, it wasn't a big deal nationally, when we stayed up, it was everywhere. Spend and reap, or stand and stagnate?
Is it a case of the manager having to gain Ellis's trust on a small budget, and if improvements are made then given larger funds? Ellis was sucked in by MON and maybe he is looking for the right manager to build a side with, once the manager proves thier ability?
Agreed! My first reaction was to slap down the question, but actually I think it is a valid question to ask., All supporters from clubs like ours, the Mags, West Ham etc, etc, with real potential for moderate success are entitled to ask the same question. For moderate success I mean, strong financial basis, a sustained top half position and good cup-runs each season.
Very much so mate, but then, they have brought in a DOF and left the inadequate scouting network as is. Screams half a job. Everton have shown that investment managed well can get you up the tails of the big lads, selling only when it suits and for massive profits. Any well run club can follow Everton, we haven't. Mags haven't. Screams of misjudgement, or even worse mismanagement within the club at financial-board level.
Think Short is busy undoing some early mistakes, he's now running the club well but we need to be running in the black before we invest heavily, otherwise we've learnt nothing.
