Is Bowyer fit for the shirt?

For those of you who dont know, Lee Bowyer was involved in two racially motivated attacks, he was seen abusing an Asian and throwing chairs around in a London McDonalds and later settled out of court after attacking an Asian man with Jonathan Woodgate. He was also sent off after fighting with Newcastle team mate, our very own Kieron Dyer who was also sent off in the incident - one might presume that Bowyer said something racist to Dyer, who knows.

So the question then is a simple one - Lee Bowyer is quite obviously a racist. He's also a pretty good footballer. Do we want to see him in the Town shirt?

 

Those two incidents are very much in the past in my mind, also it is very dangerous and unfair to presume that the Dyer incident was racially motivated. He is a good player who played alot in the Premiership last season and he has kept out of trouble for quite a few years.I think its a very very good signing.

 

A one year deal is sensible for all parties..... I mean how much trouble could the lad cause in 12 months?

 

He made some mistakes yes but does not make him a Racist.

 

I think racially abusing an Asian and beating another one up does make him a racist Plum.

 

if you call someone fat does that mean you hate all fatties??

 

Let's not turn this into a debate about what constitutes racism. Your last comment indicates that such a debate would be a futile affair

 

All jokes and racial slurs aside. Rural Suffolk is one of the least Racially Diverse in the Country. Mid Suffolk currently having an Ethnicity of 99.0% White British. Just thought that fact would make everyones day that little more fulfilled.

 

Mate i don't know what happened at the incidents he was involved in so i don't think it is fair to call him a racist, Can you be 100% sure if these incidents occurred because they were Asian or just happened to be Asian and so the press jumped on them i know i can't so will not presume he is racist.
My previous comment was just to show that when in a confrontation people will often pick on the obvious differences between them and their adversaries this does not necessarily give you a insight into what they really think.

 

Not a wind up Lancs.He wont give a flying crap about the shirt.Like so many players today they are after the best deal possible.
On a personal note,I cant stand the racist thug,hated him before he signed for you and hate him even more now.

 

As I have said before, this is a case of principals over ambition. Personally, I'm happy with the signing from a football perspective. That said, in the event that he were to repeat any of his previous unacceptable behaviour, on any front, whilst at Ipswich then I would want him out.

We are signing players who are not necessarily the most popular or likeable figures, including Chopra, and perhaps it isn't 'the Ipswich way', but as long as we we don't do an injustice to our club, its values and its history then I can live with it.

To be honest, there is some discomfort in what we are doing and perhaps I am being a little hypocritical in moulding my views to justify actions taken simply because I want our club to achieve great things again.

 

FFS get over it, he has signed for us so lets back him and give him our full support

 

Several very serious accusations were made of Bowyer during his 2003 GBH trial, but the judge – instructed the jury not to consider any racist motive and, of course, Bowyer was acquitted anyway.

 

Plum, he was convicted of affray in an incident where he racially abused an Asian McDonald's staff member. There is no question of that.

He was also involved in an incident with Jonathan Woodgate where the chap who was attacked nearly died.

It's a bit ludicrous to try to argue the man is not a racist. That's not the question.

The question is whether it has a baring on whether he should be playing football for us given his past.

 

I can't believe this is even being discussed, He got found NOT GUILTY. FFS whats the point in having a legal system if idiots without 2 brain cells to knock together can still go around branding him 'a racist thug'!

It ****ing annoys me when idiots throw the race card in arguements so flippently, they do more harm than good for racial harmony in this country because all it adds is fuel to fire for the bigots to preach their case about how the 'typical white englishman' is hard done by.

Rant Over!

On a lighter note did anybody see in papers that Sarah-Jane Mee and Georgie Thompson were looking for a flat together, I'm now off to hand my application into to be their window cleaner!

 

I think it is the question.

Its not fair to label people when you don't have all the facts and do not know the person personally.

But if your happy to brand someone for eternity for something they have done a long time ago thats your call. But as i've said i don't know all that went on and will not brand someone racist on paper talk, hearsay and other peoples opinions so i say its ludicrus to label the man a racist.

 

Guru - he was convicted of the first incident and he wasnt exactly rushing in to stop his mate beating the crap out of the second guy.

It bothers me, it clearly doesn't bother a lot of people and some are even defending him, it's interesting to find out what people think because when he signed for West Ham there were protests and fans were disgusted.

 

Hamps, i would suggest you read the article by Rio Ferdinand and see what your thoughts are afterwards about Lee Bowyer. People throw the race arguement in too quickly these days.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/198238/Bowyers-no-racist.html?print=yes

 

Interesting article Guru, these things are never black or white, if you'll pardon the pun! It doesn't change what he did though, and you will find that black people can be as racist toward Asians as white people can.

 

Hmmm, wonder if we could muster up a convict XI. Theres marlon king, lee hughes, the fella up in scotland, craig thompson, our very own titus bramble, Joey barton...and maybe even kluivert out of retirement!