Off Topic International Break Thread

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I couldn't be assed to watch the whole game last night, but I note that most people have been highlighting Gordons absence as the biggest faux pas by Southgate. I know it's not a like-for-like option, but why not Eze, who completely bossed one of the pre-tournament games and has looked dynamic all last season. Is he injured or just overlooked, as I would say he would add a lot more to get that team performing?
 
Left on the Shelf said:
I couldn't be assed to watch the whole game last night, but I note that most people have been highlighting Gordons absence as the biggest faux pas by Southgate. I know it's not a like-for-like option, but why not Eze, who completely bossed one of the pre-tournament games and has looked dynamic all last season. Is he injured or just overlooked, as I would say he would add a lot more to get that team performing?
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Yeah I’d prefer Eze to Gordon, think he’s a much better player tbh. The only plus with Gordon is that he’s quite direct so would offer something different to the side to side football England have offered so far.
 
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Left on the Shelf said:
I couldn't be assed to watch the whole game last night, but I note that most people have been highlighting Gordons absence as the biggest faux pas by Southgate. I know it's not a like-for-like option, but why not Eze, who completely bossed one of the pre-tournament games and has looked dynamic all last season. Is he injured or just overlooked, as I would say he would add a lot more to get that team performing?
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If you picked Eze would he not still come inside like Foden? We need the left activated it's pointless having Harry if we never play from the wings. Foden and Bellingham both want to come in behind Harry and that's fine but we need some centres for Harry to put away. Gordon would provide that
 
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If you picked Eze would he not still come inside like Foden? We need the left activated it's pointless having Harry if we never play from the wings. Foden and Bellingham both want to come in behind Harry and that's fine but we need some centres for Harry to put away. Gordon would provide that
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Then play both and either drop Foden or move him over to the right? <laugh>
 
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If you picked Eze would he not still come inside like Foden? We need the left activated it's pointless having Harry if we never play from the wings. Foden and Bellingham both want to come in behind Harry and that's fine but we need some centres for Harry to put away. Gordon would provide that
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The LW cutting in would be ok if they had a proper LB playing. Trippier at LB has been the biggest mistake by the manager imo. Should have taken the Palace player Mitchell
 
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KingHotspur said:
The LW cutting in would be ok if they had a proper LB playing. Trippier at LB has been the biggest mistake by the manager imo. Should have taken the Palace player Mitchell
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They knew that left-back was a serious issues due to injury and fitness problems.
Taking a crocked Luke Shaw, who only managed 15 appearances for Utd in all competitions last season, was a poor decision.
Failing to bring any backup was much, much worse.

You're right in saying that Mitchell should've gone, especially when his teammate's playing every game.
Could probably have stuck Alfie Doughty in there too as cover.
Plenty of players in that squad that probably won't play a single minute.
 
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Sorry this a long post, you may get bored, a bit like watching England

I actually like international football but watching England has never been easy. Can anyone remember the last time England genuinely played consistently well at a tournament?

Odd games like against the dutch at Euro 96, but a tournament where we have played consistently well, I am not sure that there is one. People talk about Euro 96 as time when we were good, but we played well twice Netherlands and in losing the semi to Germany.

Italia 90 is also remembered through rose coloured glasses Ok v the dutch (again) in a 0-0 draw, could/should have lost knock out games v Belgium and Cameroon, we again played well in the semi and lost!

WCs in 82, 86, 98, 02, 06,10 & 14 between them maybe 5 decent matches

Euros often worse than world cups we were abject at the tournaments in Germany 88 And Holland 2000 But Portugal 2004, we were half decent though we did manage to lose to France despite being a goal up with just a few minutes left, but nearly all of our tournaments end with glorious failure on penalties after matches where we have given a decent account of ourselves.

This is Southgates 4th tournament we have qualified as group winners in all 4, in 3 of the 4 we have ended up on the ‘right’ side of the draw and done enough without really playing that well to make progress to a semi final and a final.

I am as frustrated as anyone by Englands games so far but it’s not unusual and the standard of the tournament hasn’t been great generally across the matches that I have seen. It’s knock out football now and we need to win 4 matches in a row to win the tournament not something we have done very often in tournament formats possibly not since 1966
 
Isn't the answer to play Saka as left wing back. Back 3 with Walker, Alexander Arnold, Bellingham Rice, Mainoo, Saka in midfield and then Foden and Kane up front?
 
Belgium's kit makes it look like a bunch of their players aren't wearing shorts. Not a good thing, in my opinion.

Anthony Taylor is reffing too, so I might have to switch to the other match.
 
Spurf said:
If you picked Eze would he not still come inside like Foden? We need the left activated it's pointless having Harry if we never play from the wings. Foden and Bellingham both want to come in behind Harry and that's fine but we need some centres for Harry to put away. Gordon would provide that
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And then there’s Grealish :emoticon-0138-think
 
SpursDisciple said:
Isn't the answer to play Saka as left wing back. Back 3 with Walker, Alexander Arnold, Bellingham Rice, Mainoo, Saka in midfield and then Foden and Kane up front?
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Big Ange laughed at that suggestion when Wrighty came up with it , no mate Saka is the best right sided player in the prem atm was his answer
 
I’m a broken record with it but for me it probably matters little with regards to formation and selection.

With the management and tactics of Southgate, we’ll never see this England squad reach its full potential. Whether it’s enough to prevent us from winning the tournament we’ll soon see but the huge optimism I had pre-tournament has been destroyed by fat nose.

I think any semi-competent team knocks us out now.
 
The Changing Man said:
Sorry this a long post, you may get bored, a bit like watching England

I actually like international football but watching England has never been easy. Can anyone remember the last time England genuinely played consistently well at a tournament?

Odd games like against the dutch at Euro 96, but a tournament where we have played consistently well, I am not sure that there is one. People talk about Euro 96 as time when we were good, but we played well twice Netherlands and in losing the semi to Germany.

Italia 90 is also remembered through rose coloured glasses Ok v the dutch (again) in a 0-0 draw, could/should have lost knock out games v Belgium and Cameroon, we again played well in the semi and lost!

WCs in 82, 86, 98, 02, 06,10 & 14 between them maybe 5 decent matches

Euros often worse than world cups we were abject at the tournaments in Germany 88 And Holland 2000 But Portugal 2004, we were half decent though we did manage to lose to France despite being a goal up with just a few minutes left, but nearly all of our tournaments end with glorious failure on penalties after matches where we have given a decent account of ourselves.

This is Southgates 4th tournament we have qualified as group winners in all 4, in 3 of the 4 we have ended up on the ‘right’ side of the draw and done enough without really playing that well to make progress to a semi final and a final.

I am as frustrated as anyone by Englands games so far but it’s not unusual and the standard of the tournament hasn’t been great generally across the matches that I have seen. It’s knock out football now and we need to win 4 matches in a row to win the tournament not something we have done very often in tournament formats possibly not since 1966
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That’s why I’m not as harsh on Southgate as others have been. No england manager has ever managed to make England play amazing football and results wise he matches or exceeds all but one. I still think he should be gone after this tournament as it’s time for a change but it doesn’t mean success because of a change at the top.
 
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KingHotspur said:
That’s why I’m not as harsh on Southgate as others have been. No england manager has ever managed to make England play amazing football and results wise he matches or exceeds all but one. I still think he should be gone after this tournament as it’s time for a change but it doesn’t mean success because of a change at the top.
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Venables reacted brilliantly during games and Joe Mercer in a short stay got the team playing Redknapp like. He just picked the team and said go and enjoy yourselves,they did.

Also the big countries have been weak during Southgates tenure that has not been the case before. All in all the cards have fallen for Southgate and he has failed to cash in. I have been watching England for nearly 60 years and Southgate is the worst manager in that time IMO
 
Spurf said:
Venables reacted brilliantly during games and Joe Mercer in a short stay got the team playing Redknapp like. He just picked the team and said go and enjoy yourselves,they did.

Also the big countries have been weak during Southgates tenure that has not been the case before. All in all the cards have fallen for Southgate and he has failed to cash in. I have been watching England for nearly 60 years and Southgate is the worst manager in that time IMO
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Even worse than Hodgson and McClaren?
 
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