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In a State of Limbo

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  1. wizered

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    Nigel Pearson leaves Bristol City in a state of limbo and uncertainty and poses obvious question
    Bristol City fan columnist Math Withers breaks down the 3-2 defeat to Coventry City and what it means for the club moving forward


    In they filed, in small groups of 3-4, all clutching their phones and holding conversations along similar lines: “have you seen this?”, “it’s all my City mates, I’ve been getting it all afternoon”, “look, here’s another”, “It’s ridiculous, just constant messages”, and phrases of a similar nature uttered as they chuckled and made their way up the stairs at the Robins High Performance Centre.

    As well as a training ground, the site at Failand has been designed as a headquarters for the club, across all aspects, and upon its opening the Robins hierarchy were keen to promote its role in the pathway from academy to first-team, with players training, learning and working at the same facility.

    It is something of a haven from the “real world”, designed as a sanctuary of sorts and a structure for collective thought and adherence to a certain process and culture, to prevent any outside noise affecting performance and decision-making.

    On Monday lunchtime, seemingly every Bristol City fan with an internet connection was riddled with a mixture of adrenaline and insatiable hunger for a sliver of information, however speculative, as a social media storm gather ferocity into the early afternoon.


    Nigel Pearson was stepping down and an announcement was imminent with a press conference called later that afternoon.

    But for the staff inside the HPC, including the academy players as referenced in the opening paragraph, and the first-teamers who had trained earlier that morning, they were either the last to know among anyone of a red and white persuasion or were doing a very good job at projecting a mixture of confusion, disinterest and exasperation.

    Certainly for such a seismic event to be on the horizon, the atmosphere at the daily place of work for most regular City employees was one of complete normality. It simply wasn’t registering beyond WhatsApp pings and social media mentions.

    Meanwhile on Twitter, as everyone was going about their daily business in BS8, a cursory search of “Nigel Pearson” delivered a constant stream of updates, theories and debates about what should happen next.

    The juxtaposition was jarring.

    It proved purely coincidental in the context of what erupted, in a digital sense, on Monday afternoon but Richard Gould’s decision to front up as the face of the board and the club following Saturday’s demoralising defeat to Coventry has only heightened emotions.

    Media interviews were arranged on Sunday morning as part of the CEO’s desire to increase visibility, communication and therefore accountability at times of adversity, but that then helped fuel the narrative that some kind of announcement was due 24 hours later.

    Without any knowledge of how such a rumour started, it rather ironically could have been the original spark when fed into the context of Pearson’s situation, results and that strange news void that coincides with the international break.

    Just as a very haphazard process of investigation: confirmation of Gould’s appearance on BBC Radio Bristol’s Sound of the City was made public on Twitter at 12:01pm. At around 1:00pm a thread was started on the One Team in Bristol forum stating a press conference had been called and then, very quickly in a short 10-minute period from around 1:40pm, Bristol Live (and no doubt you) received a flurry of messages from enquiring friends and acquaintances.

    The WhatsApp cat was out of the bag, and as Richard Gould found out a few hours later, it’s very hard to put the wrigglesome feline back in there.

    Granted, the CEO’s interview to BBC Radio Bristol and the quote “that’s what we want” in relation to the question from Geoff Twentyman over, "categorically", whether Pearson will be returning, has left a lingering sense that someone in the dark and distant, occasionally intergalactic, recesses of spurious football gossip, was telling the truth in some way, shape or form.

    But, let us look at the facts: Pearson is clearly not well and, by all accounts, hasn’t been 100 per cent for much of the season. There isn't really much more that can be said to fill the void and desire for information.

    The decision for him not to travel to Coventry was a little surprising given he had spoken to the media, albeit via Zoom 24 hours earlier and conducted team meetings with the players; and these were important ones at that given how abruptly captain Dan Bentley fled his press conference at the realisation he was running late for it, barely having time to get his apology out.

    Although the club statement on Friday afternoon said he was rather vaguely “feeling unwell”, both assistant Curtis Fleming and Gould have stated he’s not in a particularly strong state of health, and having witnessed both those accounts in person, they’ve been said with real concern, while also carefully choosing their words out of respect for Pearson.

    Without wanting to delve into a man’s medical history, he has contracted Covid twice in the last two years and the first bout was particularly debilitating for him. So much so, that part of City’s due diligence when offering him the job was to ascertain he was well enough to perform what is a gruelling and high-pressured job.

    Pearson, as you may have guessed, is not the sort of individual to advertise any perceived weakness (not that it should be branded that but we’re talking perceptions here, especially in such an alpha industry as football) nor dwell on it. He’s a stoic character who just wants to get on with life.

    He’s quite obviously not been able to do that to the level he expects and, as Gould alluded to, it has been a contributing factor to the club’s poor run of results. It may be a little distasteful but in the eight matches since he first left the club City have won two and lost six; the eight prior to his absence was three wins, three draws and two defeats.

    Now that’s pretty much what we do know and should be permitted to know really, given a person’s right to privacy and confidentiality surrounding medical conditions. And therein lies the real truth of this whole scenario – nobody really knows what happens next. At least not yet, anyway.

    City have allowed Pearson at least this week off, during the international break, to rest, recover and hopefully recuperate but it’s a situation that will be monitored accordingly. They know in the here and now that he’s not fit for work, but not what the news might bring tomorrow, or Thursday or Friday.

    Likewise, from Pearson’s point of view, he can’t forecast how well he’s going to be in one, two or three weeks; few people can with anything, bar everyday ailments like headaches and sickness bugs. Even the common cold can be a bugger to shift, and stick around for a few weeks.

    Covid-19 and the collateral impact of that is far more serious and considerably more unpredictable. Yes, a prognosis and time for recovery can be estimated but, as it stands, that simply hasn’t been made yet.

    How do we know that? Well, if it had a decision would have been reached by now. If it was absolutely crystal clear, or at least to the relevant medical equivalent of that term, that Pearson would need months rather than weeks to recover, City would most likely be looking for a new manager by now.

    The fact of the matter is, and here comes a Mark Ashton favourite, the situation is “fluid” and because of that nobody wants to make a snap decision that could be detrimental to anyone concerned.

    City gave Pearson a three-year contract for a reason. They believe, and continue to despite this recent decline, that he was the best candidate at the time to fulfil their aims of becoming a promotion challenger over the space of that time period, and hopefully beyond.

    Time, money, emotion and work has gone into that project and conjecture and uncertainty, in the short term at least, over when he might return isn’t going to cause that project to be abandoned until it absolutely needs to be.

    Of course, there is a timeframe and, speaking purely hypothetically, if he were to miss the next batch of games in the build-up to Christmas and results to continue the recent trend, it surely brings the situation to a head.

    City must weigh up the balance between giving Pearson the maximum amount of time required for him to return healthy, while not allowing this state of limbo to prove too detrimental to all concerned. They have a responsibility as an employer to do that.

    What’s the alternative? “Bring in Neil Warnock until the end of the season”. Is that the same Neil Warnock famously undemanding in the transfer market who’ll happily work and coach with someone else’s players?

    Any new coach can’t really be an interim until Pearson’s situation is more defined. Until then, the Robins are wedded to what their manager wants, and vice versa.

    The caveat is Pearson himself, of course. Who has been in football for 40 years, achieved a considerable amount and is very much is own man with, as anyone has witnessed them filtering out on a matchday, a large family whose priorities are not solving the riddle of whether City perform best with or without Callum O’Dowda in the starting XI. Really, when you assess all the factors, the ball is completely in his court.

    But in the confines of the Robins High Performance Centre the feeling is very much that time, at this stage of the season, is available and needed before the right decision can be made, for everyone’s sake. Which poses the obvious question: how much time is too much?

    That also is very much an open-ended answer because, such is football, results can change the dynamic of any given situation.

    We can make a guess based on what we think or what we want to think, but that’s still only scratching the surface of the actual reality; paramount in medicine which, contrary to your slightly dodgy mate’s favourite Facebook group, deals in absolute fact and evidence.

    The truth is, at this moment in time, we simply don’t know. And that, in itself, can be a difficult concept to grasp.

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/nigel-pearson-bristol-city-6179327

     
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    Do we hope, sweat, continue to suffer and await recovery for both Nige and our club, should we take decisive action, pay him off and get an experienced man in ASAP or do a Bristol City normal, dither and wither on the sidelines, with the big R in the background, it's all up to the man in the Channel Islands.
     
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    After digesting that info from Richard Gould last night -
    Nigel holds the cards to what happens next-he is being paid very well and has a three year contract.
    Bristol City have not and don't want to sack him-however if Nigel decides to leave then the door is open for a replacement manager.
    Bristol City have to wait and see what Nigel decides to do.
    One thing health is more important than any job and certainly one with high pressure attached to it like football.
     
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    We can’t just dither, either appoint an interim manager , say till the end of the season, and give Nige time to recover, or as soon as is contractually possible wish Nige all the best with his recovery, pay him off or whatever needs to be done and appoint a new manager.

    obviously I want what’s best for Nige too, we want to act as a decent employer but we don’t have the luxury to let this drag on.
     
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    This can't go on indefinitely... I wish NP well and hope he makes a full recovery.......but IMO, we need to look at the situation in the next couple of weeks and make a decision.
    Let's be honest, harsh though it seems, but for whatever reason, so far, since his appointment, it's not been great and I'm not laying all the blame on the manager, but he has to take his share for our failings. Had he been a complete success, I would have said, allow him all the time he needs to come back. But the tactics and performances have been below par and yes, the players haven't done themselves any favours..but IMO we should be a lot better..

    SL needs to get his thinking cap on and not leave it too long....we need to act soon..
     
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    Firstly, and most importantly, I hope NP is ok and returns to full health ASAP!! The second issue is, what do the board do, I doubt anyone would come in as cover, maybe Warnock might be tempted to fill a hole on a temp basis (god help us). I seem to recall he retained a family home in Devon from his days at Plymouth . Curtis Fleming hasn't been in long enough, nor has the experience to handle this IMO. Or, NP and the club agree on a mutual termination of his contract and we move on? Some hard decisions need to be made in the next week I feel.
     
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    If it really is indefinite I hope we are already in discussion with Nige or his representatives about amicably moving on and seriously considering our next appointment, obviously we wouldn’t be able to make it public until things are agreed, maybe that was what yesterday’s announcement was implying, I hope so anyway.
     
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    If I were SL. I'd be on the phone to Dean Smith, see if he's keeping well :emoticon-0105-wink::emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    He would be a good appointment; however, I doubt he's ready to step back down to the Championship (and the bottom of it at that) just yet!
     
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    there is a precedent that NP cant argue against ... A key block in the wall is missing so a tempoary replacement needed, he was the major instigator or at least in full approval. So [ not so easy as would be the leader ] repeat the exercise and find a manager who will come in for a specific time ..... say from 1st December till 1st March .... [ problem could be wouldnt have the enthusiasm? knowing should we be in top 6 even top 2 would step aside ]. 3 MONTH'S EASES PRESSURE ON GETTING BACK WELL AGAIN ....... maybe get in manager who would go to end of season.. gives NP a good 6 month's recovery time!!! with a performance bonus on position.
    the dog eats dog scenario at BCFC in the past 6 months has been introduced .... ??
     
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    He has to go.
    I wish him a full recovery I really do, but we can’t stay in ‘limbo’ whilst he recovers. We don’t have the time.
    Whilst he’s hanging on in the sickroom we can’t replace him.
    He needs to go NOW.
     
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    Sorry to hear about Pearson's health problems - bad health is not something to joke about.

    Most managerial contracts with clubs have an "incapacity clause" very similar to Country heads of state who can have their powers removed and transferred if they're incapable of properly exercising them - medical/health grounds are just one reason.

    No idea if it's a mutual decision or if Pearson has been relieved of his duties along those lines, but the way could be open (contractually) to replace him citing the wellbeing of the club.

    Of course, a suitable and mutually agreed settlement would need to follow and that could be a difficult negotiation if it were the club's decision to exercise that option without his agreement.
     
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    why not? The bar was set when NP brought in CF to cover for PS illness .... and PS the chosen assistant manager was sha# on when he responded to treatment and returned...

    BCFC can not afford now to be taking risks, CF touted as a good coach by RG ... had the XYL calling out about my dinner throughout so some comments I missed ... did he say categorically CF IS TEMPORARY MANAGER IN HIS ABSENCE .. ?
    His managerial attributes so far do not add up to much ..... without being controversial ... less so than LJ !!! ....
    BCFC needs to act we have 2 weeks then on paper an easier run to game 23 and into January window when decisions on staff enlistment needs / possibly needs to be added to/ subtracted from squad to take us to end of season ...........
     
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    Being unable to decipher what is actually happening with NP is not for us to question, because the situation is extremely personal, however we do have the right to expect our top people to have a contingency plan up their sleeves. Knowing the propensity of Bristol City to waffle when it comes down to making the right decisions at the right time I fear this scenario could be a critical factor in whether we stay in the Championship. The decision needs to be made now and not somewhere down the road when we are dangling on the edge and it would be advisable to bring in a manager to take us through the next transfer window and onwards to the end of the 2021/22 campaign. I am confident that NP would approve, given his situation, of someone coming in temporarily and perhaps he could offer support from afar but perhaps he may decide to concentrate on his health first of all. The future of the club is back in the balance again and it makes me sad that we continue to struggle to find one bloody duck yet alone get them all in a row. Time is of the essence and I wonder what bag of tricks we will come up with this time around?

    Nigel is the only one who truly knows what's going on and I would expect him, if the situation is longer term, to offer Bristol City a get-out and allow us to focus on our plight because deep down he is a footballing man who wouldn't want his personal issues to damage our safety. Good wishes from Canada Nigel.
     
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