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If the truth be told We are simply AVERAGE

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  1. bobby

    bobby New Member

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    When Henry inevitable left us for Barcelona 4-6 years ago there were numerous question marks
    of how the following season will be for us. To my surprise! Fabregas and his comrades played some
    of the most beautiful football inside the Emirates. then, our football was like poetry in motion second
    to none in terms of beauty. our movements on and off the ball mesmerize our opponents, regardless of
    their reputation. Everyone would stare in bewilderment as we pass the ball effortlessly around our opposition.
    We came very closely to winner the EPl a few times only to stumble over our own feet.

    Unfortunately as our youth players began to grow and develop in some of the most promising players in the
    league, cracks started to appear in the most unwanted places. defensively, we became a disorganize group
    of defenders, our best of players were sold without quality replacement, and most importantly the coaching
    staff no longer have the guile to get the best out of the players. I can recall many people ridicule our defender
    for have soft goals scoring against them. I always make the point that, if we have the four top defenders in the
    World and defend like we do we are a sitting duck for goal galore. How many defenders we have change over
    the pass four years? The goals continue to score against us in the same manner, and that's all up to the coaching
    staff.
    Right now our Manager is not getting the best out of our players. people is talking about RVP as if our memory is short.
    Last season with RVP we had a bad start and was struggling at mid-table for a few weeks. let us not forget too, last
    season we were very very poor, fortunately for RVP he had more chances created for him to score goals.

    Sometimes it's hard to get hard on the players,now that it's more obvious than ever that our problem now stem from
    coaching than anything else. How performance now is like a mid-table team. We can no longer keep possession of the ball
    with authority. obviously it's no longer practice in training. Have you seen Stoke recently, well i guess they now look like the
    Arsenal. Until the Manager accept the fact our performance no longer make us an elite team and stop masking our inefficiency
    behind a few win then, and not looking at his own input into this team then the tunnel is never ending.

    I wish someone could convince me that Wenger still have a little something in him. But the most scary thing off all is, I am un
    convince that their is a better Manager for Arsenal than Wenger at this moment.
     
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  2. Bergkampspilot

    Bergkampspilot Active Member

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    Is there a better manager than Wenger for Arsenal? Not with the current business model we have. I said Wenger should leave or move to a different position within the club if we fail to get top four but in truth that would probably make us worse. It's the most obvious conclusion that if you sell your best players and fail to replace them with other players of similar talent and determination you will end up as a club struggling to survive rather than a club who is competitive. This is the reality at Arsenal IMO and its frustrating to watch the inconsistently plaguing our squad. I consider myself one of the positive fans who tries to find good points even when things are not going so well but I have to say I am very worried about our position within the league and the lack of ambition our players are showing. I really do not know what the problem is and the fact that the board and Wenger seem to now be more reminiscent of a secret society does not install me with confidence for the season ahead. I have my fingers crossed that we find a solution to at least retain top four but I'm the less confident of this than any time in wengers reign.
     
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  3. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    We are not average, tenth is average.

    What we need is to add strength in depth to the squad. At the moment we're relying on too few players to carry us through.
    When they have a bad game, lose form or are out injured, then we immediately struggle.
     
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  4. TheBear

    TheBear Well-Known Member

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    "Simple Average?"

    Simples...
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    We are well below the standard we should be that's for sure. With our boards eagerness to cash in on our players and our managers reluctance to spend we are currently running in around circles.

    The club needs to add some real quality. Show some ambition and stop screwing over the fans.
     
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    suker_suker Well-Known Member

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    Definitely. When Cazorla's having a bad day at the office, we tend to look out of ideas.
     
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  6. cjuliennech1

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    I think its quite naive to assume that we don't practice passing the ball in training. I just think that our team is clearly not as strong as the one in the 2007/08 season. But yes the fact remains that we don't pass the ball nearly ass well as we did a few years ago, it was our trademark and for us now to struggle in that department is depressing to see. And it's very hard to ask cazorla to be the only creative influence, although wilshere's return has helped i still think that because arteta isn't a defensive midfielder wilshere has been asked to go and sit in beside him leaving only cazorla to get in the spaces between the opposition midfield and defence.

    When you try to play the way we do it is going to be alot harder to concede goals but every single game we go into we look like a bomb scare, defenders hesitate, there is no communication, and there is just no conviction in anything we do. It doesn't help when our two best defenders (vermalen and sagna) aren't having the best of times aswel, and then behind them you have scezney who is still for me quite unpredictable. And then in the attacking third the team is just void of movement, we are very rigid, and hopefully we can get some players in this month.
     
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  7. bobby

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    My argument with training and coaching is this. You may not always get it right on the field
    but we should be able to see sign of improvement or an attempt to make changes on the pitch.
    I have watch Gail Cliche making wayward crosses for Arsenal for the past four years, with no
    improvement. Now look at Cliche playing for city, a complete different attitude when it come to
    crossing the ball. He no longer makes these wayward crosses just for the sake of crossing the ball.
    Now tell me if Sagna have make that improvement, definitely not. I was very impressed with the
    Ox in his earlier appearance for the Gunners, but now I see Chamberlain forcing the ball down wing
    when there is no room to run. These lads need a few one on one training that will really improve them.
    Maybe that's the reason it take Walcott so long to develop to his true potential.

    I agree that we do need more quality player but I can't see that as an excuse for the poor performances.
    I can accept losing while playing quality football, but at the moment the way we play it's ludicrous. We one
    7-3 against Newcastleand everyone was glory bound, but if we to Analyse the game our performance wasn't
    that great. Take away the goal and you see what I talking about. Many will say a win is a win anyway, but
    for Arsenal it's not acceptable. What it does s give the players and fan false hope.

    Where did Arsenal negative football came from? 75% possession of the ball, 45% passing backward. Our strikers
    hardly getting clear opportunity at goal. We cannot even utilizes the speed of Walcott and Chamberlain to any
    great effect. With players like Carzola, Arteta, Wilshere , not able to take control the middle and dictate play
    something is truly wrong. I must say though Rosciky could be the trump card in the middle. When match fit
    he will create openning in midfield with is penetrating moves. Is late appearance last season did help us a lot.

    Another thing I must say about this transfer windrow is like Wenger I do not believe in paying for overprice
    players , which most are today. But i am sure there are many quality player out there for the cheap who are
    not under the radar of the big club. Hope Wenger will get it right before Champion league ambition is out of our
    reach.
     
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  8. totsfan

    totsfan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah,your simple & average
     
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    Very true. In defence, we look lost without Mertesacker and in midfield we are not creating anything when Santi is not at his best or is not playing.
     
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    I've reinstated this comment so that people can laugh at tinytots.

    ( I wonder if he'll get it ? )
     
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    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    This is exactly it. We need better quality through the squad. Kos and Verm are good CB's but together they are too similar and end up making mistakes. Cazorla is a Wizard, but Ramsey is not a equal replacement.

    I'd love to see us sign somebody like Isco or Sissoko in January, along with another robust defender and a striker. Might be a big ask to get it all done in January, but it looks like Wenger is keen to bring in some players. I think he realised against Soton that the quality is lacking.
     
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  12. EmirAleks

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    Wenger said he is busy during the transfer window. Probably that means he will have no time for transfers.
     
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  13. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    I think the other teams are getting better. Used to be easy victories against the bottom 10 clubs, now that isn't the case.

    All the teams are wobbling. Man United and Man City have wobbled and got lucky. Chelsea wobbled yesterday and didn't get lucky. No doubt those three have a little bit more than we do right now, but to say we are average is just looking to cause a reaction. Simply isn't true.
     
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  14. gent

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    He will be testing a new prototype coat.
     
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