The best chance and probably best ever for Wenger to win the league. His team is struggling and both Leicester and Spurs are playing better and placed above us in the league. What do you guys think, if any of those teams beat us to the title, should Wenger pack his bags and go?
I'll vote if you create an option of "he has to go regardless of who wins the title (Arsenal included)"
I put no in the poll - purely because his tenure at the club shouldn't be prolonged even if we do win the title this season (which we won't). Regardless of the outcome at the end of the season, I want him gone.
Has to go either way. The real way I'm measuring us is how we are doing in Europe, we may win the league (not really), but our performances in Europe show how we really are far from being an elite side. It shows that despite considerable time, money, and resources, Wenger still cannot build or maintain a proper world class elite side. The fact we have lost 6 times in a row in the first leg of the last 16 shows how miles of the pace we are from being an elite side, for 6 years on the spin we're about to get dumped out of Europe. We need a manager that can make us truly world class-elite, challenging on all fronts, giving Europe's best their money's worth, like United did in 99, 08, 09 etc. Wenger should have gone 2 years ago after beating Hull in the cup, he stayed, and it's been the same old story. The day he goes will be a great day for Arsenal, we will finally be able to enter a new era, it might be rocky at first, but at least it's something fresh-different than the same boring **** we have to go through year after year, bottling and chocking when it matters.
It is 100% clear to me now that the players brought Arsene and AFC the glory years. Arsene brought style and financial stability. But he was lucky to have the characters in the club like the guys at the back. They spread this winning mentality to the new lads that came in Vieira, Henry, Pires, Ljumberg, etc. Over the years these characters left and Wenger remained. What we are seeing in the team is the personality of the manager. Arrogant. No fight. Stubborn. I always use Bacon Face as an example. He cultivates winning. He makes average players feel like world beaters. You see a hunger and desire to win. Not with our professor. He is just a coach. He's not one for the BIG time.
Not going to get involved in any boring anti Wenger rants but i still feel the right time for him to go was after we beat Hull in the FA cup
If he's going to go then everything needs to be in place to try to avoid us doing another Moyes, not just as a reaction to our rivals winning the league
Why should any manager's performance be judged against randomly good performance by two other teams? The only thing he can do is affect Arsenal's results - he can't affect anyone else's.
It's not just about the other two being good, it's us being pants for most of Jan and Feb, and in key moments of the season. We are losing games that we should be winning. No one in their right mind would expect a full strength Arsenal team to lose against manures reject 11, that is frankly shameful. We just got out of competing well with the best team in Europe, only to be beaten by a team that would get annihilated by Barca. This is a big problem with the current Arsenal team and the buck stops at the manager.
Because regardless of how good Leicester are especially, they should not be finishing higher than Arsenal. Same can be said of Chelsea, which is why Mourinho was sacked, and ultimately the same thing will cost Van Gaal his job at United. Spurs you can make a case for, as Potty has been building a decent side for a couple years now, at considerable cost. Spurs should always have been in amongst the top 4 with the amount they have spent, they just needed a manager who could make it happen, instead of no marks like Villas Boas and Sherwood.
It's hard to work out if we're getting any better in the league. Even his excuse of other teams having more resources and money is evaporating, he is now left with a team he has build for over 6-7 years costing over 250m, yet doesn't look any closer to winning the title. Its looking likely that City will drop out the race, so it's now a three horse race. Yes the other two have been good, but far from outstanding. If either win then his legacy will be questioned, why he was unable to get the title when conditions were ripe for him.
Mourinho was sacked because he was a prick. Not because Leicester were doing better than Chelsea. Mourinho was destroying the club from within because his own ego got in the way of good judgement. He ****ed over the medical team, then started making bizarre excuses for you losing, before finally turning on the players, who naturally then lost confidence in him and he lost the dressing room. LVG is just a crazy dutch batard', but do you know what ? Man Utd might actually give him another season depending on where they finish this time around. He's at least trying to bring some youth players through and give them a chance. For all of the ****e they've had at Utd this season, they still might end up with a European place. If Mourinho comes in there, he will just demand £200m to spend on the squad and the youth players can kiss their Utd careers goodbye.
If that was the case he wouldn't have been hired in the first place. I don't think CFC were under any illusions on Jose when he was re-hired. Can't argue that he was having a detrimental effect on the club though. If United keep LvG they are crazy!
He was a prick when you re-signed him. But at least then he was just a prick to everybody outside of the Chelsea. It's when his prickism was turned inwards on Chelsea, that it all started falling apart. He wasn't sacked because Leicester were above you, he was sacked because he was tearing the club apart.
Yeah but Leicester (and almost everyone else) being above us was a symptom of that. But I get what you are saying. Yeah he was ****ing things up for our club on and off the pitch basically. His whole attitude towards Eva was baffling.
The whole Eva thing was ridiculous from Mourinho. He clearly lost the plot that day, but he could have just said it was a 'heat of the moment' thing and it would have been forgotten. But his ego didn't allow that and he made a stupid move by criticising her further and then demoting her. I think that day was the beginning of his downfall at Chelsea.
I'm not sure where you get the 'considerable cost' from for Spurs. Pochettino has made more money from selling players than he has spent buying them and I think our whole squad only cost about £150m which is about sixth in the PL and less than half of Chelsea, Man C or Man U.
And about ten times what Leicester have spent. My point was, you can see how Spurs got there, they have been on the fringe for years and have spent money to get there. I dont give a **** about net spend and all that bollocks, I am talking about what their squad is worth, which is, like you said, £150m. Where as Leicesters cost f**k all. I know Spurs have spent a lot less than Chelsea and United, that was my point, that both clubs have failed epicly and hence why Mourinho, and surely soon, LvG will be filing for unemployment.
Actually only about 2.5 times what Leicester have spent but I understand your point now. It's been almost unheard of in the PL era that the three most expensive squads are not in the top three. But I think its a good development.
Premierships top 4: value of each teams (from transferrmkt): 1. Leicester - £95m 2. Tottenham - £234m 3. Arsenal - £330m 4. City - £376m La Liga top 3: value of each team (from transferrmkt): 1. Barcelona - £520m 2. Athletico Madrid - £267m 3. Real Madrid - £530m
