Just got back from the game, and where o where do we begin. You can only laugh and have pity for Arsenal, the biggest joke and laugh's on the fans though, because season after season, we pay some of the highest ticket prices, and only get sh1t shovelled back in our faces, to think we pay such prices to watch that disgrace of a performance we put out today. Year after year we're told we are getting to the top, this season even Gazidis has come out saying we won't have to be patient any longer, LOL. Yet season after season, after all the empty rhetoric, it's the same rubbish we've grown accustomed to, mediocre performances, no where any closer to challenging the top teams, a team lacking enough world class players. But hey, what's to be frustrated about? We have a great financial model we can all be proud of, and hey, fighting for 4th spot, and getting 4th is an amazing achievement, who wants to ever win stuff and come 1st, coming 4th best is amazing. F--k trophies and fighting for top spots, nahhh, I prefer mediocre performances and scraping for top 4 places, while paying for the highest season ticket in the land, take that City, take that United, take that Chelsea, you can stick your trophies and success up your ass, we have 4th place and good finances! On to another point, will the fans on here who constantly defend average players like Ramsey finally put their hands up and admit that Ramsey is an average midfielder, who's nothing special, and nothing world class, and that if Arsenal do want to be serious contenders, then it's not going to be with players like Ramsey starting for us? Nah, maybe I'm just wrong, and Ramsey is a really really really top world class midfielder. Just to put things in perspective too, it's played 5, lost 3, amaazinggggg. Oh, and as for our WORLD CLASS DEFENCE, we haven't managed to keep a clean sheet in 9 games, AMAAAZING DEFENCE ISN'T IT? As I said at the start of the season to everyone going wild about our defence, let's wait till we played some games before we started lauding our defence. If our defence was amazing for keeping 3 consecutive clean sheets, then by the same token, our defence as a team must be amazingly **** as we've conceded in 9 games in a row. But hey, we got a great financial model, lol, which none of us personally benefit from btw, most of you still got to get up for 9-5 jobs, but hey, the financial model is something you can be PROUD OF, be very proud that other club executives are getting rich and more rich, while they tell you to be proud of the financial system they've put in place, lol.
You've made a lot of good points which I myself have been thinking for a while now, where Arsenal are concerned. The fans aren't interested in hearing about how much the club turns over each year and all the profits they make. While that is all well and good for running the club and promotes growth, it only really benefits those at the top, especially if there is not serious reinvestment into strengthening the current squad. Fans don't share an affinity towards the money a club makes, they want to see the club being successful on the pitch via winning silverware. Not enough money is invested into buying the players Arsenal need to form a proper challenge on all fronts. Santi Cazorla is Arsenal's first very good signing for a while, but he alone isn't enough. Had van Persie still been here this season, things could have been different. As it stands I can only see top three/four finishes for Arsenal at best with a good cup run every so often. With that said I don't think it will be much longer before you win a trophy. Overall you still have quality in the squad that is bound to be successful sooner or later. I just don't think that success will be short lived unless there is a restructure of how Arsenal spend their finances on both transfer fees and wages. That is the stumbling block though where I struggle to see change.
When fans and pundits said they wouldn't mind it if Arsenal began playing sh!t football in place of free flowing football, what they meant was they wouldn't mind if it meant Arsenal started winning, they didn't mean that Arsenal should simply play sh!t football and lose!!!! Over 10 games into the season and we all have to be honest, some of the football we've seen this season has been dreadful and toothless. Our recent 2 games were the worst of the lot, but there have been many other poor lacklustre performances with barely any good attempts on target, such as Sunderland (h), Stoke (a), Chelsea (h). At least in the past we were playing some amazing football, so although we weren't getting the success, we were still one of the best teams to watch in the world, well, not only does it seem that we're going to continue the trend of winning **** all, seems we're also going to do it in a very **** boring bland toothless style! I think what we're truly starting to see, is the epitome of an average team finally coming out, in the past we'd always have some world class players to bail our asses out and make things happen (RVP, Fabregas etc), but we're greatly lacking that at the moment, and now we're starting to bear the fruits of a team filled with average players. People can talk all they want about injured players coming back, last I checked, even when we had the likes of Diaby, OXO, and Walcott, all fit and good to go, we still were looking toothless against the likes of Sunderland, Stoke, and Chelsea. I readily remember people wanting Walcott's head after the first few games of the season, and even by my estimation, most fans have stated that OXO has been pretty average for us so far, other than the Capitol One Cup game, what has he really done for us that's been amazing or breath taking? So let's not over-exagerate the impact of the players that are out and missing, now don't get me wrong, sure, will their return help us? Hell yeah, but let's not pretend or mask our problems by their absence. Plus, who's f--king problem is it if we get injuries that suddenly cause us to become mediocre? If our teams depth is that thin that when we lose some key players that all we're left with is average sh!t players to come in, then who should get the blame for that???? So the injury argument isn't really an argument for Arsenal's defence, it's just more proof of the bad management at this club. Why don't we simply have better world class player replacements in place of players like Ramsey, Arshavin, Chamakh????? Who's fault is it if the manager persists with playing average players and giving them numerous chances even though it's clear as daylight that their just an average player that ain't going to really get better (Ramsey is flashing in my head)? It's actually sad, I was so happy to see the back of Denilson, but his Welsh footballing clone has replaced him at Arsenal!!!!!!! And I think the clone is even worse than the original!!!!!!!!! At least Denilson used to score some crackers for us, and did the nice Brazilian dance when he scored I really do fear for this team, because at the moment, out of our 3 signings, only one of them looks like the real deal, and that's Cazorla, but even he can't do everything for us. Yes, Podolski's got 4 goals, but **** me, he's just been looking really average in nearly every game we have played, and is always fading out in every game, people are pissed about Gervino today, but at least we noticed him on the pitch, where the **** was Podolski? It was like he didn't even exist, and that's been happening in many games where it's like he's not even on the pitch. And Giroud isn't filling me with confidence either with his performances, the performance against Norwich was as bad as Chamakh, and even when he came on today, he was useless, compare that with Dzeko the City super sub. In all honesty, I can really see Giroud and Podolski getting on the bad side of fans if they keep up these lacklustre performances, Podolski has a bit more time only because he's scored 4 for us, and has said the right things in the media, but eventually, lacklustre none existent performances will get the fans against you, Arshavin is a good example of that.
Merged your threads mate. I know you're pissed off, but they are basically ranting about the same thing.
You know what, i'm not THAT pissed off, even when I wrote the second thread, even I was thinking that to myself, why aren't I so pissed.
I have to admit, Ramsey will never become a top class footballer. You can quote me on that and throw it in my face if you want, because I very much doubt I will be proven wrong now. He's had enough chances. Ramsey is slow in terms of pace and decision making. He tries flashy passes when easy one's are necessary, and he's not adventurous enough when he gets into good positions; it's like everything is completely reversed for him. When in an attacking position he turns around and passes it backwards because he hasn't got the pace or the skill to beat anyone. His potential was always as someone who could pick a pass, but he dawdles on the ball until no passes are available, and people like Arteta and Cazorla are far better at doing his job! Ramsey is finished for me; he'll end up at Bolton or Swansea. Another player not pulling their weight is (and I hate to say this) Podolski. Our attack is impotent, and it's because Podolski thinks he's a midfielder. He doesn't get into attacking positions, and he doesn't track back (poor Santos...). So what does he do? It seems like he spends all his time sitting just in front of the half way line, getting marked out of the game, waiting for a pass that will never come. Move about mate! (BTW, Pod is one of my favorite players and I was ecstatic when he came to Arsenal, so I don't say this lightly.) Gervinho is also starting to get on my nerves. He is far too inconsistent to be a striker. If we play him as a striker and he has a bad game, we won't score. Simple as that. His control and decision making let him down far too often for him to be anything other than a gamble "throw-on" sub.
It looks like Podolski's main asset is his work rate. As soon as it is not extraordinary, he is average. That's maybe the reason why he was so good for the country and less impressive for his clubs. He plays on a lot of adrenalin for Germany, but weekly club football is boring dull.
All the above. Ramsey will never become what so many hope he will because his brain simply cannot compute quickly enough. Not his fault, but the lad needs to be sold for his and our best interests. Podolski is a fantastic player in the right team. I think we are trying to force a round peg into a square hole. He will obviously give us some great moments, but I fear he will never become an Arsenal superstar. Gervinho needs some stability & certainty or we risk doing to him exactly what we did to Chamakh. Give Theo a central role and let Gerv know the right wing is his. His skills will rise commensurate with his confidence. Our left backs in general are still a major concern. Gibbs is not up to the job of #1, despite a few decent games. Santos is also a stocking filler. Keep Gibbs, sell Santos, buy a top class LB. ......must have been something else in that paella apart from the bug that gave me the squits for 48 hours last week
100% agree with all this. Ramsey is showing the same pattern as Walcott and Oxo, and probabkly Wilshere, namely they burst onto the scene showing great promise but then reach a plateau and then that is it. In the country we seem to have players with talent but they seem to not be able to progress beyond being average. I think the same will happen with Wilshere - I don't really recall any stand-out performance from the lad and don't fully understand all theh hype surrounding him (though I too would love for there to emerge an top top English player), but I think Wilshere limitations will be brought into the light in his next season. None of these plkayers is the prodigfy that Fabregas was. I think Wenger was hoping they would be.
I disagree with extending criticism of Ramsey to Gibbs, Walcott, Oxo and Wilshere. Despite Gibbs' injury record he has steadily improved every season. This season he has been incredibly good. I would hate to see that development stiflled by the introduction of a new LB. Walcott's last two seasons have been a marked improvement on the previous ones. During last season he even added some skills to his game that weren't there before. Our team (and our fans) are crying out for Walcott to return from injury, because it's clear how much we need him now. I don't see how anyone can criticise Oxo and Wilshere's development. Wilshere was fantastic against Barcelona. A Barca fan I was talking to even noticed that during the game, so it's not our rose-tinted spectacles saying it. His injury is what has stifled his progress, but there is no reason to say he won't become the best midfielder in England. Oxo is still very young. He's broken into the first team and the England team, so I don't see why you think his development is slow. Perhaps your expectations were too high.
I don't understand all the critics...Arsenal played two bad games but are in all competitions with a chance to win. Everything look good at Arsenal for the future.
Don't you understand ... we played badly for two games. Two WHOLE games. Hence, we're a **** club and we need to lynch somebody right now.
I'm not sure why you are choosing at abuse our British talent lol Wilshere was great before his injury, he was 18 and nailed on first team player, against Barca he was every bit as good as any midfield player on the pitch. Today in his return to first team action he was the best player on the pitch until he was subbed off. Oxocube is what, 18-19? He has broken into the England team and is looking to have his breakthrough season with Arsenal. He isn't the finished article yet and is defensively naive sometimes, but for his age he is doing very well and he has plenty of time to show his ability. Walcott has had two good seasons and has been one of our most productive players. We have missed him during his injury. He set up alot of RVP's goals last season and he does well in the big games, he can change a game. People forget he is still young, he is already one of the best wide players in the league and he will improve. We are also yet to see if he can play the central role and there is obvious still alot to come from him. I really hope he signs a new contract. Gibbs improved alot last season and this season he was absolutely solid before getting injured. I have no doubt he will become a first class LB and i think there is a good chance that long term he will be Ashley Coles replacement in the England team - i see them as very similar players. Also Ramsey had a great Olympics, he has already Captained his country at a very young age. He has been good this season when he was comming in as a sub, he was good out wide against City, he was then poor like the rest of the team for a couple of games and against QPR today he came into the game when he moved in field, hit the cross bar and had a great shot saved. Yes he can be inconsistent but he is still young and is a great player to have in the squad. When all players are fit he would not start, but he is a good option. Last season he was thrown into the first team and given the responsibility of not only playing week in and week out but of covering the creative gap left by the departures of Fabregas and Nasri. He actually did really well for the first half of the season and was getting alot of praise, but he simply burnt out in the second half of the season. I think he did a good job considering the circumstances and it is completely unfair the critisism he faces.
Wilshere will be one of the best players in World Football. The English National side has been run by a bunch of ****ing morons at the FA. If you ask any German,Italian or Spaniard what they think they will tell you we have had numerous sides full of top players over the last 15 years or so. We've desperately lacked a playmaker (Wilshere can do this now and Scholes 'could' have) but the simple truth is that our Press, Football association and long hard league have all had a negative impact. We also need to move away from the oldschool British mentality and embrace technical football a little more. But as an England fan it does'nt have to be all 'Doom and Gloom'.
