How much we will take?

Do you think there will be a lot of anti-Tan at our next home game, or will we have all just accepted this shambles?

I think we all have to admit this is getting pretty crazy. Does anybody see Tan becoming anything but more of a dictator? I am not against what he has done, but he obviously has a vision that I doubt the majority of Cardiff supporters have.

I wonder if once he had ripped the club apart to fit his dream that he wouldn't get bored and start doing even stranger things.

This part in the independent article makes me feel sick:

Shot from a table at the club’s April player of the year awards, it caught him explaining to the assembled throng in barely fathomable terms why Cardiff’s bluebird symbol had to go. “The bluebird was frightened by much bigger and stronger symbols: by the wren and what-not,” Tan said. “You know I’m a new football fan so I don’t know what the other symbols are…” The nervous laughter which followed – a bit like those feet-shuffling moments when your dinner host has just crossed the boundary of good taste – was the excruciating part. Someone might have stood up to tell Tan there was a century of heritage in that symbol. And that the club’s association with the bluebird dates to 1909, when a children’s play of that name – about the pursuit of a bird by children who wanted to commit it to a cage – captivated Cardiff during its run at the city’s famous New Theatre. Nobody did.

Instead of enjoying the Premier League, I am now starting to hate it. If MM gets sacked....well.

 

If MM gets sacked. Then someone else will gladly fill his boots. I wish all of this anti Tan sentiment would stop. Yes i admit some of the things he says or has allegedly said seems odd, however people forget his command on the english language isnt tip top and he is from a completely different culture. I dont think he means any harm. But we have to stand by him, as i have said before, i cannot see any welsh multi millionaires bashing the door down at the moment, so for us to boo him and humiliate him would surely be a disaster for the club. The vast majority of people do not understand business, and will often pick holes in things when they know nothing about business themselves. It is his money thats keeping us going and i would urge our fans to respect that fact. Personally if we did get a Terry Matthews at the club, i think you would find that they wouldnt for example, change back to blue etc. Lets keep focused on the vision ahead. But above all enjoy the football.

 

On the other hand, he might be a 100% bloody minded businessman who will do exactly what he wants with his 'toy', a bit like the Hull City scenario, should he also decide that the name is too long, or the usage of the word 'city' is out-dated' or anything else..

Not saying that is what I think, or indeed will happen, but it might.

 

While I understand your sentiment, we are having mini-disaster after mini-disaster which has all been glossed over by promotion. I think there is more to a club than just the league it is playing in.

 

£140m put into the club, bit of an expensive toy then.

ISAW has made some very good points. People have short memories. Look at where we were after Pistol Pete's wheeling and dealing - 1 step from adminstration and not much further from extinction. If that had happened then we wouldn't have had the glorious ride of the last 2 1/2 years and might not even have stayed in the Championship.

As for the hobbits who say they would prefer to be back in the Championship - well if VT hadn't come along there might not have been a Cardiff City in the Football league let alone the Championship, such were the unpaid debts we had at the time. If you really want to be travelling around the likes of Rochdale, Bradford etc through the winter then go and support Newport County.

I am not a lap dog and don't agree with everything he has done although I can see why he has done most things. Also I am not saying that the ends justifies the means but VT didn't get where he is today by trying to please everyone. We still await the true story behind Moody's departure and his temporary replacement. Maybe when that comes out, if it ever does, then we will have a clearer picture.

There has been no news as to whether VT has capitalised his loans or not. If he has then he is locked in and can only get out by selling his shares to a willing buyer at an agreed price. However, if still in loans then he can walk away and, I guess, demand repayment just like Sam did. Is that what we really want?

If so the carry on slagging him off without knowing the full facts behind last week's events. WoL who really don't have a clue say that a statement will be made this morning although no one from the club has actually confirmed that.

The other thing that gets my goat is that the media always seek comments from someone who is totally critical of what has happened. Nowhere have I seen a balanced comment from the other side of the coin putting an aternative point of view. All they are interested in is the sensational side of will Malky stay or not and all those who only seem to know 2 words, "Tan out". I know they have to sell copy or gain listeners/viewers but their absolute negativity is doing the club more harm than good.

However, regardless of what the club eventually say, the best we can do is support the team and make sure Malky gets the biggest roar of approval ever when he next steps on to the pitch.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Very well said, and broadly my sentiments too.

 

Blue,

Not disrespecting your thoughts on the matter, and yes, I agree than Tan did save the club from meltdown. But I do not think that means that because he saved the club financially that we can then excuse all that he does afterwards. Do we allow somebody who saves our lives to then go about removing all that we hold dear about ourselves and then embarrasses us forever after?

There seems to be an agenda of systematically wiping away the old and replacing it with a non-football educated new. So we can thank Tan for what he has done but it does rankle when I hear people say "we have to be nice or he will leave". A savior should be just that and not a destroyer!

Let's be honest, on this board many posters were giving it large to the Venkys and Mike Ashley about their lack of football knowledge and their interference. Is Tan any different?

TG was the man I trusted, and I think he knew what was coming.

 

Fair points ToB but like I have said frequently over the last week, we must hear the club's views before passing judgement. Everything else is speculation.

I am not holding my breath for a full and accurate version as that is unlikely for many reasons but it is wrong to make our minds up with so little factual detail, i.e. Moody's gone, Malky is unhappy and the Kazak is sitting on the recruitment phone for the time being. What do we actually know beyond that?

As for VT's future with the club, I have said before and until recently I thought he was coming around to this, that he has to take notice of the largest voice around Cardiff City, the supporters. If he has to make major changes then consult as far as possible and manage the changes sensitively.

We don't know for sure what Moody did wrong but maybe this is something he had to react on quickly to prevent further damage?

If he wants to sell the club on at some stage then he will need us to retain our Prem status and continue to achieve virtually maximum attendances. Without that what does he have to sell to get a return on his investment?

 

I'm with Blue on this one too.

Each to there own and if people want to drive him out of the club then that's up to them. It's foolish to commit heavily to something without having any idea of the consequences though. If Tan did demand repayment the club would fold, there isn't sufficient value in it currently for him to get his money back. Good business men don't tend to do things that involve losing huge sums of cash so that is unlikely imo.

What is much more likely is that he would sell to the first/highest bidder. Have a chat with Pompey fans and ask if there are worse potential owners than VT about?

I'm a ST holder and I enjoy watching good football and top class players. I'll always support our team but would my wife and I have travelled to all our away games if we were in L2? Honestly, no chance!!
That's not just my story though 25K fans shows the vast majority of Cardiff fans are happier in the Championship or PL.

It's very easy to sit here and say I'll follow them whatever division and for a small minority that will be the case but our gates were dropping in the Championship if we hadn't won a game or two! I don't know how bad things would have to get for me to stop buying my ST but 'park standard' football at the bottom of L2 with 5k of us rattling around in an empty stadium would certainly test my priorities.

 

Those that feel that strongly about VT and what he is doing can always do what some die hard Manchester United fans and Wimbledon did, create a new team based on their values. They will start in the lower leagues and will have to fight their way up to the league proper with little money. A flippant comment perhaps but if they feel that strongly carry on.
As for the latest "scandal" Moodygate, we do not know what went on or why he was released but it sounds like an internal discipline issue, be it the over-spend or something else, Moody would not have left quietly had their been no grounds for his dismissal.
Onto the chap who is temporarily in his role, what do we know of him? Not much that is for sure BUT if he is heading the team up it would be for his business knowledge not his football knowledge. He has a team of scouts to look over the players and MM to decide if he wants the player. But it is a temporary position.

 

Cheers Stevoldinho,

I have not actually asked for him to leave. I believe that he could really be a good owner in the long run because he appears to have a passion for the club. My problem with him is that he appears to continually (perhaps accidentally) disrespect the club and those who serve it.

Again the conversation turns to "just be glad we are not in L2". I am glad we are not in league 2, and I don't want to be down there. I want an owner who wants to be involved with the club, but let people who he employs do their job, and not ignore that a football club is a living entity of over one hundred years of history. The man needs to step back, not tell Malky how to manage, and not go to the change rooms and tell the team how to play!

Regardless of what Moody did, the aftermath and the ridiculous choice as a replacement just adds to the sense that the owner does not understand football or this football club. Of course, the rebranding tends to support his lack of respect for history.

Actually all I want from Tan is to listen, learn, and explain what he is doing and the logic behind it. So far he has failed to do this.

 

Sigh

 

Why isn't that an option? To all intents and purposes, for some, the club has gone. As I said a flippant comment but one that should be mooted in the interest of debate.

 

The conversation moves to L2 because this club would be fighting for it's existance without VT, that's not an opinion that is fact. Portsmouth show how quickly things fall to bits when you don't pay the bills.

As has been said on this and other threads no one knows what has happened! Until/if we ever do it is wrong (imo) to jump to any conclusions. If anything in VT's history suggests he'll trust his millions to a 23 year old with no experience I haven't seen it.

The **** has hit the fan, none of us have a clue why. What Blue is saying (which I agree with) is that panicking about the sacking of someone I'd not really heard of for a reason none of know is not a reason to start a club wide mass hysteria UNLESS your agenda is to get VT out/sell papers.

I support neither therefore I'm calm until something happens that will actually make a long term difference e.g. MM leaves, our new head of recruiment signs Naylor as our new left back (I think Naylor might be better than Brayford if I'm being fair......)

 

I just felt that comment basically meant if you don't like it piss off. I love Cardiff City and would not support another club. If I criticise the government for how they run the country, should I go and start my own nation regardless of the love I have for the country I live in?

 

Let's be honest we would all like to have a Welsh billionaire in charge, playing in blue with the Bluebird badge but that option is not on the table.

I tent to take a lot of the things printed in the media or on message boards with a pinch of salt, it's all done to earn money.

As football fans we should be used to be last to know it's always been the same.

I'm thankful to Tan for saving our club and Malky for the good things he's done with the team but does anyone thinks they are doing this for us fans ?

 

Agreed, I am also grateful for what he did for us, but as I said earlier just because he saved us does not make him exempt from any future criticism. People seem to suggest he is now untouchable for what he did two years ago. All I asked asked in the OP is how much are we willing to take.

As for the Moody incident, I agree we do not know enough but why was the new lad appointed in the first place. A 23 year old friend of his son!! Come on, why not just sack Moody and leave it at that for the time being. Once again, there appears to be a distinct lack of football and even public relations knowledge behind the decision.

 

Own nation, no but you can go into politics and change it. Unfortunately none of us on here are rich enough to buy into our club and effect a change, especially as it has been said VT will have 95% ownership by the end of November.

 

Could say the same about politics

 

haha, I liked that.

I agree he isn't exempt, we just don't know what's happened. I've always been a facts type of person rather than media sensationalist BS person.

I know the 'painter' doesn't have a vast football back ground but what does anyone know about him? He might be like rain man with numbers.

VT will not sabotage his own massive financial interest in the club for a laugh/to wind us up/for his sons mate, etc. etc.