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How much the Allams have spent to get us where we are now

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Obadiah, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. Obadiah

    Obadiah Well-Known Member

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    I owe you all an apology. I seriously underestimated how much the Allams have spent during their tenure of Hull City.

    The true figure is £534.2 million, yes that's right they've spent over half a billion pounds and we have sweet fa to show for it except a few good memories.

    Here is how its calculated:

    Turnover £ million

    Year ending
    2010 47.5
    2011 27.0
    2012 11.0
    2013 11.0
    2014 84.5
    2015 84.0
    2016 42.0
    2017 117.0
    Total 424.0

    Profit from player sales during the same period £50.2 million

    Outstanding loan to Allamhouse £60 million.
     
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  2. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
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    That's what the club's spent, rather than what the Allams have spent, they've had their back (or least could have had if they took out this season player trading money).
     
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  3. Tuckin

    Tuckin Well-Known Member

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    Can you really use turnover to make such calculations? Seems rather misleading.
     
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  4. Obadiah

    Obadiah Well-Known Member

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    Turnover is the TV money, money from the sale of shirts etc, gate receipts, sponsorship, advertising, sale of programmes. 99% of that will be cash in the bank. I'd say it is perfectly safe to use turnover to say how much money Hull City has earned and subsequently spent.
     
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  5. Obadiah

    Obadiah Well-Known Member

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    My apologies for not writing Hull City Tigers Limited under the stewardship of the Allams have spent over half a billion pounds. I'm sure most people will know what I meant.

    No point in speculating on how much of the loan has been repaid until we see Allamhouse Limited's accounts for their year end. That money will come from this year's income (including profit from player sales), which I didn't include in the figures.

    Its still a hell of a lot of money to have spent and have us end up in the same place, more or less, Bartlett left us.
     
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  6. Boothferry2Wembley

    Boothferry2Wembley Well-Known Member

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    Do you have an estimate for how much the Allams have paid themselves in giving us this gift?
     
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  7. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    When everything is finished with the Allams, the likelihood is that they will have spent nothing of their own money, and more than likely will walk away with a decent profit. They have already been paying themselves interest on the loans, so have made a better return on this money than they would at a bank.

    The point made is what I have been saying, that over their tenure we should now be a reasonably established EPL club like Stoke/West Brom etc, but through their mismanagement as Obadiah says we will be left more or less where we were 7 years ago, with no progress.
     
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  8. Obadiah

    Obadiah Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, despite having over half a billion pounds flow through Hull City's coffers they have achieved next to nothing with it. We have a few good memories and lots of bad ones.

    Their legacy is ultimately one of failure and bitterness.
     
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    One difference between the start and end of the Allams’ tenure might be that by the end the club is debt free. Time will tell on that.
     
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  10. Chilton's Hundreds

    Chilton's Hundreds Well-Known Member

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    Was it you that posted this bollocks on Facebook?
     
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  11. howdentiger

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    Awful humans....pretty good businessmen though Tbf!
     
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  12. Obadiah

    Obadiah Well-Known Member

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    Which bit is bollocks?
     
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  13. Charon

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    with half the attendance and a squad worth significantly less than when they came - in truth their financial management in a time when the tv money was at an all time record has been a complete mess

    it will also be fans free
     
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    Chilton's Hundreds Well-Known Member

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    Actually I owe you an apology. I misconstrued the tone of the FB post.

    Note to self: Read all the message before declaring said post is bollocks.
     
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  15. Obadiah

    Obadiah Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the apology.
     
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  16. Chilton's Hundreds

    Chilton's Hundreds Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the thanks.
     
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  17. originalminority

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    Bartlett left us with an average home attendance of 24,390, the Allam's have halfed that.
     
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  18. Happy Tiger

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    From a purely clinical business perspective they’ve done a good job.

    From a running a football club perspective, they’ve failed miserably.

    Such a shame.
     
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  19. City Man

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    Yes . Take all the emotion out of it, and you see Ehab's catastrophic handling of his managers resulting the car crashes of the last 2 summers.

    No doubt he blames the lack of wealthy sponsors for the 'cuts' he has had to make, but maybe the failure to secure sponsors and investors is down to him rather than low gates, name changes, Councillors etc.

    When you have total control, you have to accept total blame.
     
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  20. Obadiah

    Obadiah Well-Known Member

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    They really haven't done a good job from a business perspective Happy. They thought they'd arrived in the promised land and thought it would never end. They didn't use any of that money to prepare for relegation, developing our own facilities or developing the strength of our squad.

    The owners of Burnley and West Bromwich Albion run their clubs as a business and are now reaping the rewards. They are prime examples of successful businessmen or women who also happen to own football clubs.
     
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