1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

How much of the current predicament is Fergie's fault?

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by - jordan -, Aug 24, 2014.

  1. - jordan -

    - jordan - Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2011
    Messages:
    1,773
    Likes Received:
    18
    Left us with the likes Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher, Nani, Smalling and Young who clearly even when Fergie was here, were not good enough.

    He also let the contracts of Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra whittle down to just 1 year when they should have been sorted long before (particularly with Vidic)

    For me he's massively responsible for the current s**t-hole we are in. It was also his decision to appoint Moyes.

    Did he decide to get out before the going got really tough and the squads deficiencies became clear?
     
    #1
  2. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2012
    Messages:
    30,383
    Likes Received:
    13,499
    Finally a Utd fan can see what the root cause of the problem is <applause>
     
    #2
  3. weararedbonnet

    weararedbonnet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2011
    Messages:
    2,142
    Likes Received:
    39
    All this doom and gloom, have faith. We have had worst starts than this, and then turned it around
     
    #3
  4. Christiansmith

    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2011
    Messages:
    9,727
    Likes Received:
    1,558
    Shhhhh

    The window is still open. We need the GGs to keep spending - which they only will if they are **** scared..<ok>
     
    #4
  5. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    15,541
    Likes Received:
    2,320
    I think he probably knew a lot of work was needed, and didn't have the energy to do it. He was 71 at the time, so I don't think we can begrudge him that. Some 71 year-olds struggle to get a weekly shop done ffs.

    As for Moyes, Fergie genuinely believed he was the man for the job. He ballsed-up, but after all he did for us, I think we can let it slide.
     
    #5
  6. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    28,166
    Likes Received:
    12,114
    I blame Labour <ok>
     
    #6
  7. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    15,541
    Likes Received:
    2,320
    Fergie is a big Labour supporter. I think you're on to something <tinfoil hat>
     
    #7
  8. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2012
    Messages:
    25,308
    Likes Received:
    1,218
    Not much of it. It was enough for him.

    Not his fault moyes was terrible.

    Van gaal will sort it.
     
    #8
  9. Christiansmith

    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2011
    Messages:
    9,727
    Likes Received:
    1,558
    I am not saying Moyes was brilliant but anyone would have had trouble following fergie. The players lost their mojo when the master left. The team will need to be revamped. At least everyone LVG, GGs, Woodward recognise that money needs to be spent.
     
    #9
  10. Like_a_virgin

    Like_a_virgin Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2011
    Messages:
    721
    Likes Received:
    24
    In terms of buying top players, Fergie and United were hopeless in the last 9-10 years. Apart from vanPersie, who we signed because he himself was interested in the move, we always lost out to Chelsea or City for signing the top recruits. Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs did better than us. That department needs a massive overhaul.
     
    #10

  11. theresonly1gerrard

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2011
    Messages:
    881
    Likes Received:
    13
    Van Gaal is the Pre-Season One

    LOL
     
    #11
  12. Christiansmith

    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2011
    Messages:
    9,727
    Likes Received:
    1,558
    I had forgotten that. That's good. <ok>
     
    #12
  13. weararedbonnet

    weararedbonnet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2011
    Messages:
    2,142
    Likes Received:
    39
    Whereas Brenda is the dared to dream one. Must be correct, they brought a book out with the same title
     
    #13
  14. Christiansmith

    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2011
    Messages:
    9,727
    Likes Received:
    1,558
    There is only one Gerrard. No one slips better...<whistle>
     
    #14
  15. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 17, 2011
    Messages:
    39,253
    Likes Received:
    27,040
    Remind me, when did the Glazers gain control of the club?
     
    #15
  16. saintgreg10

    saintgreg10 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2011
    Messages:
    2,585
    Likes Received:
    90
    Moyes couldn't attract players when United were in a good position, title holders, CL football etc. In my mind, that's where it went wrong and the boat's now been missed. However Di Maria is a good buy but United desperately need a centre half of the same calibre before the end of deadline day.
     
    #16
  17. Christiansmith

    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2011
    Messages:
    9,727
    Likes Received:
    1,558
    That is saying the obvious. Obvious to most people except the likes of Woodward and Moyes at the time. The squad, eespecially the midfield, needed urgent attention. I said at the time their fannying around, trying to save a couple of millions here and there will cost us. It did...very heavily..<ok>
     
    #17
  18. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    15,533
    Likes Received:
    1,371
    I think the only real blame that falls on SAF is that he not only chose Moyes, but also told him he couldn't completely break up the squad and had to stick with most of the current players.

    It's hard to blame SAF for winning the league by a mile with a squad getting towards the end of its tenure. But expecting Moyes to continue to win without allowing him to change the squad to any great degree was always going to be a bad idea.
     
    #18
  19. Christiansmith

    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2011
    Messages:
    9,727
    Likes Received:
    1,558
    Swarbs, how do you know SAF wanted Moyes to carry on with this squad?

    If that was the case, then it was out of order. It was clear to me when the going got tough in january that these players were Fergie players. And that they were not responding at all to Moyes. DM should have had the authority and the means to make wholesale changes to that squad. Even then it was clear that it needed a whole revamp.

    It was truly an "impossible" job.
     
    #19
  20. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    15,533
    Likes Received:
    1,371
    I don't know for definite, but it was reported that SAF gave him a sheet of paper with a list of players he should keep and a list he could sell, and that the board would not give him permission to sell any of the players SAF had marked as being important to the club. I think us winning the title so well in SAF's final season hindered Moyes in that regard, as it was hard for him to come in and say "these players must be sold" after they'd walked all over the PL the previous year.

    I think as a consequence of that Moyes ended up getting large amounts of his hiring decisions wrong - he should have replaced most of the players and kept the backroom staff, but ended up replacing the backroom and keeping the players.
     
    #20

Share This Page