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how many points hamilton could have lost

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by tribo32, Aug 1, 2012.

  1. tribo32

    tribo32 Member

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    as everyone knows, Hamilton has not been the luckiest guy this season, so im going to add how many points he has lost over the first 11 races due to the team's mistakes and some bad luck

    Australia- overtaken in the pit stop phase and wasn't able to fight to keep second and was bumped down to third (3 points)

    China- unfortunate to have to change the gear box and started 7th when he qualified second, rosberg was very good that afternoon and i dont think anyone was going to beat him, so he missed out on a second place (3 points)

    Bahrain- strong qualifying, but the redbull's and the lotus's were too fast on the day but he definitely could have finished fourth without the pit stop error that sent him way down the field and ended in his finishing eighth. (8 points)

    Spain- being dropped from first to 24th was a bit extreme in my opinion, i would not think anything of it if they dropped him down to 6th, that seems to me like a fair and reasonable punishment because the team did break the rules (intentionally or not). it was illogical to push down a driver who proved he was fast enough to get into Q3 right down to the bottom. as he went fro 24th to 8th we can assume that he had good enough pace to win the race (21 points)

    Valencia- there were two cases of misfortune in this race, if Mclaren got their final pit stop right, then he would have been ahead of alonso, lus after the first mistake Maldonado came off of the circuit and crashed into Hamilton. if the first mistake was avoided, hamilton would have been overtaken by alonso and raikonnen when his tyres went off, but i think he would have been far enough in front of Maldonado to keep third. even if maldonado did not crash into hamilton and they both would have carried on, there was only one lap left and maldonado would have lost time from going off of the track
    (15 points)

    Germany- random puncture, bad luck in its purest form. i think that he would have finished fourth, he didn't look to be with it that weekend but im sre that he would have followed button through the pack. without hamilton disrupting vettels strategy, vettel would have maintained second place so button would have finished 3rd. (15 points)

    if you add all of these points together, then you get a total of 65 points. obviously there's bound to be bad luck over a season so i'll take away 20 points and then thats 45 points.
     
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  2. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    Cool. You could do this with every driver. Now Maldonado I know has lost 47 points through his own fault or car failure. Yet he is still beating his team mate, I think that is rather impressive, especially in the mid field.
     
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  3. Di Resta is faster than u

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    Yeah he really should be leading the championship. He's put in the require Alonso-esque performance but unlike with Alonso he has a team thats been letting him down big time.
     
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  4. Delete Me

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    I would love to say how many points Seb lost this year and in 2010 because of misfortune but it still won't change what is actually happening.

    Now you know how pissed off a Seb fan like me was like in 2010 with the car falling apart at every race.
     
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  5. Julius Caesar

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    What about poor old Karthikeyan. If the team had given him number one status, Yuri Ide as a teammate and built a car 14 seconds faster than the field he'd have the championship sown up by now. They've really let him down. 275 points lost.
     
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  6. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Looking back at every season how many points Hamilton has lost you could then judge it to be expected he will lose points <ok>
     
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  7. Delete Me

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    Malaysia: Was closing in on Lewis for 3rd until Narain drove into the side of him. (15 points)

    China: Would of held on to 4th against Webber if a certain driver wasn't breaking the tow. (2 points)

    Spain: Was given a flawed wing like Webber, (wasting 6 seconds replacing it) he would of beaten Kobayashi even with the penalty. (2 points)

    Monaco: Engineers screw the set up of his car dropping him down the order. Could of got on the podium and in front of Alonso (3 points)

    Canada: Stratergist's mess up him getting 3rd, should of pitted at the same time as Lewis. (3 points)

    Valencia: Had it in the bag with a dominant performance. (25 points)

    Britain: Had front tyre vibrations for weird reasons and gearbox faults, would of beat Alonso considering his pace at the end with these problems. (3 points)

    Germany: Webber getting in Sebs way in qualifying ruined his mindset, might of beat Alonso to pole. Lewis interfering with Sebs only chance to overtake Alonso while having KERS problems and it was all downhill from there with the red mist. (15 points)

    (Total 68 points)
     
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  8. GUEST

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    yeah but in previous seasons lewis was making mistakes.this season he isnt crashing,or making the same mistakes as he has in the past,he has been very unlucky this season,and lets be honest,you need some good luck,and alonso has had that on top of his great driving this season.this is the reason why alonso is leading,and lewis isnt.
    the biggest bit of bad luck has to be the underfuelling mistake,that cost him 21 more points imo.
    the only good luck lewis has had was in those 2 races in which they messed up hamiltons pitstops,which allowed jenson to get ahead of him,but luckily for lewis jenson either crashed or had a mechanical failure in those races.
    i really hope lewis has a strong race in spa and wins,and alonso has some bad luck which see's him finishing outside of the points.if the opposite happens i wont be suprised tho.
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

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    You're having a Steffi Graf... lolz.
     
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  10. Delete Me

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    When was the last time it happend though? of all the places it could of happend it had to be at the time and place Alonso and Seb were fighting for the lead.

    I say that's misfortune and bad luck since as a Seb fan I could say that was a **** day even without the penalty included with Jenson. If tribo32 can include a puncture at Germany as bad luck I dont see why having your only chance to overtake the leader without KERS ruined by a lapped car not unlucky?
     
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  11. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I'd call it racing.
     
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  12. nh-f1

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    Surely Vettel should have known to let him past, especially at a long straight? The Mclaren has far superior straight line speed than the Red Bull? When you think about it, it's not that much different to Brazil 2008 when Vettel overtook Hamilton when Hamilton was fighting for the championship. Okay, it was for position, but Vettel had nothing to lose then, and neither did Hamilton at Germany. Vettel had every right to gain as many points as possible, Hamilton had every right to catch up with everyone

    A puncture is probably the unluckiest thing too have as a race driver, you could also say Hamilton was unlucky that Massa decided to chop his front wing off and leave debris on the track (i believe that is what caused the puncture, though i'm probably wrong). You can't do anything about luck, it just happens. The puncture just happened, Vettel could could have done something about Hamilton unlapping himself i.e, staying on the racing line, trying not to lose more time than he would
     
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  13. Delete Me

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    He was on the racing line when he got overtook and had his exit compromised. Everybody gets a puncture once in a while but having a faster lapped car behind with fresher tyres get in front and making life harder by chucking dirty air and screwing up your tyres is done how often in a season?

    That's like comparing sneezing to falling down the stairs. One happens every odd day, the other happens once every couple of years.

    I have no grudge with Lewis wanting to unlap himself as he had the right to do so, I'm just pointing out it was a rare moment that went against Seb more than anybody on the track as it likely cost him the win.

    Backrunner ruining his race (Malaysia): Check!
    Safety car coming out while having a massive lead: Check!
    Car failure while leading the race and dominating: Check!
    Having a lapped car get in your way for the lead: Check!
    Crap pitstop: Pending...
     
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  14. EternalMSC

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    He did it full well knowing what he was doing, being out of contention I was not expecting it from him.
     
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  15. cosicave

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    A very well thought through article, Tribo. Nice one!
     
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  16. SgtBhaji

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    It's well within the rules and totally acceptable.

    If he remains lapped, then he's out of contention... If he unlaps himself and a safety car comes out, then he's totally back in contention. Once past Vettel, he didn't hold him up, he chased down Alonso. Nobody has anything to complain at.
     
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  17. Inertia

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    I'd call it interfering with the results.
     
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  18. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Enlighten me...
     
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  19. Delete Me

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    Btw that isnt me SgtBhaji no matter how correct he is!
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

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    Then you enlighten me... How is unlapping interfering?
     
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