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how is it downing cant do what a winger does.....

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  1. liverpoolred

    liverpoolred New Member

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    out of all kennys signings , and i include andy carroll because we arent playing to his strenghts at all, i think stewart downing has the been the biggest waste of money , when you think of where that money could be spent .
    all downing does is try and beat a man , then try and go back and beat him again , has no right foot , and the odd time the guy gets to the by-line ,HE IS WOEFULLY UNABLE TO CROSS A BALL...... :huh:
    for the 1 time he does get to the byline ..the other nine are spent coming back with the ball ....thus ensuring we start trying to walk the ball into the net as usual

    this guys overall play and minging distrubution make me wanna throw things at him when i am at anfield ......
    worst signing of the last crop
     
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  2. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

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    Sessegnon looks like a very decent winger, without CL football he could be an ideal target. He can skip past players, create plenty of chances and score goals. Just looks like he has more to his game than Downing.
     
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  3. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    Downing was great last season for Villa, and always looks good for England.

    We must be patient with him.
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    players at smaller clubs just do thier thing, play where they are told to and get on with it... players at big clubs get big heads and think they can do more and more unitl their game ends up like downings.

    Reality check stewie, back to basics
     
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  5. Jonesey

    Jonesey Well-Known Member

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    The problem is a lot of these players, once they sign for a club like Liverpool (especially Liverpool?) think that "they've made it" and their days of hard work are over.

    That's what's ****ing wrong with them - they need to be told repeatedly that the hard work has just begun!
     
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  6. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    Downing's not being used properly.
    He needs to be able to isolate the full-back, create a yard of space and whip crosses into the box.
    That should be Carroll's ideal delivery.

    I think that you have to look at the way that your manager is setting the team up and stop blaming the players.
    The system against Bolton was ridiculous.
    There wasn't a single player in the midfield that you'd expect to put a tackle in and it played to none of their strengths.

    Gerrard is at his best in the hole, behind a lone striker and he's your best player when he's fit, so why was he used in such a deep role?
    Adam's crap in a 4 man midfield and he needs someone to do his donkey work, so why wasn't he either left out or given that support?
    Neither Rodriguez or Henderson is going to offer much width or give their full-back a lot of cover, so why select both, especially without a holding player to protect the back-line?
    Awful.
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i watched city v tottenham and lost count of the times clichy or nasric got one on one and just didn't even try to beat a man. the era of cut inside and run laterally while midifelders shepard you is upon us!

    yes if you hold the ball 20 seocnds by running across the line then pass it you're a hero... let the full back tackle you and you're an idiot who lost the ball and set the other team up for an attack.

    The team we had v bolton was the ebst team we could put out.... i'd agree that gerrard after a year out and showing no stamina shouldn't be exptected to play box to box and playing in said hole would be good... the issue is ther eis no-one else.

    Adam is a joker, anyone who plays scottish of championship football knows where to bloody stand to screen a back four and shuffle players across you. he just ball watches run up field at a whim then pushes guys over for sport... the is no -one else

    this is the point we were stripped of every player we had and then sold by a bank rather than be put into administration. We have bought who we could but we bought a 20 year old who is going to be better as he works dman hard to improve but there you go.
    do i agree with the singings? well if i were a top 4 fan no but as a realist i think there were few options better out there willing to come for the money!

    a year into a new club and scouting system and we give stick for not spotting this guy or that that other clubs take risks on..... again we've got to keep improving all over but guys not putting the leg work in is unforgivable.

    thats the point, whether or not they are telented enough to acheive is one thing but not beothering your barney cos city and utd are next up is unacceptable.
     
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  8. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    I understand that you've got both Lucas and Spearing missing, but the system didn't suit the players available.
    You'd have been far better off either playing Agger in the midfield or going with 3 centre-halves and wing-backs, in my opinion.

    It wasn't the players' lack of application.
    It was the way that they were set up, which allowed Bolton to virtually run through the middle of the park unchallenged.
    To pick a side with such a glaring weakness is pretty shoddy.
    To fail to rectify it as the match went on is just poor.
     
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  9. Rubadub

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    Because he's a run of the mill, decent at best £10mil pound player but because he's English he is massively over rated and over priced. We need to buy a decent winger in the summer and we need to lower our expectation's of Downing, he will never be a top class winger because he is average.
     
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  10. Redbrynner

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    3 center backs????yeh thats bound to work....Im guessing you didnt watch the stoke game the previous week??
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    erm....

    1. opinion is good.

    2. We picked our first choice back 5. I honestly don't agree on application as having seen all lfc games this year the midfield was AWOL. By that i mean when we had the ball no-one was bothering their barney get back into a good goal side position and bolton exploited those gaps well. We had skertl trying to come challenge were a midfielder should have been or big time charlie strolling back and pushing guys in the back giving frees away.

    3. Agger in midfield is one shout for an emergency until you consider his "ongoing" injury that is being "managed" in other words CB is where he needs to play just like king at tottenham....

    4. i would say that the way the team read on paper it was made for a 4-3-3 which wasn't really what happened. you say they ran thoughtt he muiddle, i say they were let cos guys didn't adopt good positions and bascially i don't think that's set up, that's the players.

    5. I do think that if you want to have a go only at kenny that's fair enough but you can't absolve players from not putting the effort in... when the foot is off the gas i don't see how you can change it radically with a system change form the sideline... what neither of us can say is how the management team prepared the players and hammered the importance into them... the only thing that can be said is the laws been laid down and kenny must follow through on it. he'd not without fault nor mistakes but neither is any other manager! what'll set him apart again is if he follows through and the effort doesn't drop off again in 3 games time.
     
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  12. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Kenny was right when he talked about application. It matters not who was put in midfield. It does matter that they cannot get away with not applying themselves. Kenny expects and WE expect that they at least try. There is no shame about being beaten by a better side on the day (no mater where the sit in the league) if your players can troop off knowing that they did their best. Very few of the Redmen could do that at the weekend!
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    The Stoke game in which you basically didn't have a striker for the first hour?
    When you finally brought one on, you replaced the winger that would've given him service.
    You didn't concede three goals to Stoke and lose the game, either.
     
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  14. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    We did but he was crap. Then we bought an even crapper striker on to replace him.
     
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  15. Sharpe*

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    Because he's ****ing ****e and we all know it.
     
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