Holding midfielders

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KingHotspur said:
Agree completely.

We need one of our central midfielders to be of a defensive mind set with the ability to protect the back 4 and break up play.

AvB made the mistake of playing without one and kept choosing Dembele and Paulinho when he should of just chose one alongside Sandro or Capoue.

If we keep playing with a duo of Paulinho/Dembele, Paulinho/Bentaleb or Bentaleb/Dembele then we will get beat by lesser teams than City.
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Horses for courses. If our main problem is going to be breaking down a team that sits back, then two of Paulinho/Dembele/Bentaleb. If it's going to be keeping a dangerous attacking team from taking us apart, then, as you say, one of those three plus one of Sandro/Capoue.
 
Sandro Isn't just defensive minded, he's decent at breaking forward and having him gives more confidence to attack so even with breaking teams down I would pick Sandro.

I remember the West Ham game, all three goals came from hitting us on the counter, that's where Sandro would have offered protection while the team let their concentration slip.

A good example of an attacking team having a DM as one of their most important players was the great Barcelona team. Sergio Busquets was likely the 2nd name on the team sheet behind Messi and that's because you need that player who enjoys stopping the opposition or a safeguard against counter attacks.
 
"Sandro Isn't just defensive minded"

Neither is Capoue.
As I said the other day, the "DM" will endeavour to get the attack going immediately
after they have stopped their opponents' . If that means taking the ball forward themselves,
they will.
 
Spurs or Sex? said:
Sissoko started his career at Toulouse as a DM, it was him and Sandro we were chasing for the DM role prior to getting the beast.

Paulinho started out as a DM, think he mentioned in an interview that he started venturing forward with Brangantino (SP?) and then fully become the box-to-box/ CAM type at Corinthians.

Vidal was a DM at Leverkusen. The amount of times my scouts kept on recommending him to me on the old FM's was unreal <laugh>.

Ramires was definitely a DM pre-Chelsea. He was a dirty little ****er in his first season with them (still is at times now, though playing for them lot what do you expect).

I stuck Schweinsteiger in purely because he's one of the best box-to-box players around, though you're absolutely right, was initially a winger (remember that goal at the World Cup against Portugal in Germany where he cut inside from the left? Corker!).

I think the terms has changed due to foreign influence on today's game. Most of the terms used today have stemmed from players making it unique abroad. It may sound funny but I think games like Football Manager have also had an influence with position's titles.

Makelele - Defensive midfielder.
Messi - Inside forward.
Pirlo - Deep lying playmaker.
Xavi - Advanced playmaker.

In recent years Football Manager has added Sweeper Keeper, Ball Playing CB, Anchor Man, Defensive Winger, Trequartista, Shadow Striker... It's crazy. But the funny thing is, people start using those terms as if it's the norm.
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I agree its absolute bollocks.

I am pretty sure that there are only five or six skills that outfield players can have. Perhaps positioning, passing, tackling, heading, shooting and pace. Categorising them into positions is more about where we are used to seeing them play than anything elsd
 
Call it whatever you like! It still comes down to having a player who is capable of anticipating opposition attacking play, and breaking it up before our back 4 is left totally exposed - as they were against City. If that involves having two players capable of doing the job - with the understanding between them that, if I go forward, you stay back and mind the shop, then that should work too. It's not what happened on Wednesday night though!..
 
Spurs or Sex? said:
Sissoko started his career at Toulouse as a DM, it was him and Sandro we were chasing for the DM role prior to getting the beast.

Paulinho started out as a DM, think he mentioned in an interview that he started venturing forward with Brangantino (SP?) and then fully become the box-to-box/ CAM type at Corinthians.

Vidal was a DM at Leverkusen. The amount of times my scouts kept on recommending him to me on the old FM's was unreal <laugh>.

Ramires was definitely a DM pre-Chelsea. He was a dirty little ****er in his first season with them (still is at times now, though playing for them lot what do you expect).

I stuck Schweinsteiger in purely because he's one of the best box-to-box players around, though you're absolutely right, was initially a winger (remember that goal at the World Cup against Portugal in Germany where he cut inside from the left? Corker!).

I think the terms has changed due to foreign influence on today's game. Most of the terms used today have stemmed from players making it unique abroad. It may sound funny but I think games like Football Manager have also had an influence with position's titles.

Makelele - Defensive midfielder.
Messi - Inside forward.
Pirlo - Deep lying playmaker.
Xavi - Advanced playmaker.

In recent years Football Manager has added Sweeper Keeper, Ball Playing CB, Anchor Man, Defensive Winger, Trequartista, Shadow Striker... It's crazy. But the funny thing is, people start using those terms as if it's the norm.
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This is an interesting post for people like me who have no knowledge, or interest, in these football computer games. I begin to understand where all these terms come from and all the confidence of some of our posters.

It's no wonder I speak a different language. :D
 
Spurf said:
This is an interesting post for people like me who have no knowledge, or interest, in these football computer games. I begin to understand where all these terms come from and all the confidence of some of our posters.

It's no wonder I speak a different language. :D
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;-)
 
We had Carrick - we were good
We got - Parker - we were good
I think we need defensive (if not holding) midfielders and should definitively keep Capoue
 
Spurf said:
This is an interesting post for people like me who have no knowledge, or interest, in these football computer games. I begin to understand where all these terms come from and all the confidence of some of our posters.

It's no wonder I speak a different language. :D
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I dislike those who don't use proper (traditional) written Chinese far more.
 
"Better?"

Nope.
I expect ALL characters to be in TRADITIONAL form (it took me long enough to
learn to read/write them - so I expect them to be similarly used) .
 
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