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Hindsight

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Jun 22, 2012.

  1. Wandering Yid

    Wandering Yid Well-Known Member

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    I wrote an article posing a couple of questions regarding Harry just before the verdict of his court case. Quite interesting to look back at the responses with respect to our current situation and the second half of the season.

    http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/119140-What-if
     
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  2. Boss

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    There are just some of the comments made just to show how quickly things change in so little time when the reality is, harry was the same manager he was then, as he was now so either as a set of fans we

    A) over praised him

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    B) never fully understood who arry is

    I would go with something in-between but we all had a "love hate" relationship with redknapp, in the sense all of us have slated him, praised him and he frustrated us with his tactics and stubbornness, yet I still believe he went too early and we have made a mistake by getting rid.
     
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  3. vimhawk

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    Well I was perfectly happy. I also believe it would be hard to get someone better and am very interested to hear about this "new level" and how it can be achieved under our current wage structure and in the face of competition from teams that are not attempting to (or have to) comply to any rational business model. So can someone clarify the "new level" please, is it above Man$ity, Chelski or ManU? If not I wonder how our 4th/5th place finishes in recent years (despite not paying the 4th/5th highest salaries let's not forget) are so bad, and how we are going to do better now. And if we are not going to do better, than what was the purpose of such a major change?
     
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  4. totsfan

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    as i understand it,the club want a younger Managerand have done for some time.Harry is 64 now and his health isn't great +commuting from Poole are all against him.Yes done great for us but i belive it's time for new ideas
     
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  5. Spurm

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    I was happy with Harry until his behaviour and tactics AFTER the court case. I don't think i was one those comments, but if i had been asked then i would've said he was the man.
    However, if you'd asked me in april/may (before he left) what i thought then my opinion would have changed. Not due to the slump but due to a few of his comments to the media, the under-miming of the chairman, the way he handled the england speculation (saying the players didn't care who was manager) and then finally trying to force a new contract (because the players suddenly cared).

    Its not the results, style of play or his ability that was my problem with Harry.
     
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  6. Spurm

    Spurm Well-Known Member

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    IMO, it was clearly:
    * His big-gob.
    * His "I'm bigger than the club" attitude
    * Not standing by Spurs when the England job came up despite the support the club gave him through his health probs and court case
    * Contradicting his chairman (Modric last summer in particular)
    * Criticising fans. "You've never had it so good". Actually Harry, yes we have.
    * Numerous "paper thin" squad comments despite the fact he loaned out half the population of Tottenham in january and refused to rotate anyway.
    * His inability/refusal to bring through any youth players

    Lets remember, Levy has to work with this chap. Levy is the big cheese, not Harry. If Levy can't work with him then it isn't going to work in the long term.

    Think about your jobs. If you work is satisfactory, or slightly above (which is as far as i can go with Harry tbh) but you constantly piss off your boss then eventually you're gonna go.
     
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  7. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    Didn't we all look young back then?! :D

    Glad to see I was still cheerleading for Moyes even in January.
     
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  8. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
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    Rubbish Luke, are you Harry's agent? You can trace my discontent with Harry right back to the Bent handbag incident and many have been complaining about his tactics or lack of them for ever. There were a number who were on his case as soon as he arrived. As long as he got the results the rest of his crap was tolerated, once they looked iffy, that was it.

    You continue to go on & on with your support of Harry. He has gone, he is history. Have you forgotten that you are supposed to be a Man U. fan, not an apologist for Redknapp.
     
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  9. Spurm

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    Yawn. His big gob made it untenable. Perhaps not from the fans point of view, but Levy has to work with him. He tried to force Levy's hand. He tried to become bigger and more important than Levy. Bye.
     
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  10. totsfan

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    harry will have his supporters and others that have seen through him and wanted him out,so he's gone we have to get on with it for the better or worse.any big names that want to leave-the new man will have to deal with them and hope fully persuade them to stay
     
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  11. Spurf

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    Like a dog with a bone! <laugh>

    Well I can believe it. In fact I don't have to believe it because he no longer has a job at Spurs. The base for taking your position is that Levy does not have a clue how to run Spurs. Whereas I think he has done pretty well overall. If this turns out to be a poor decision I will forgive him, because he has always tried to act in the best interests of the club IMO. Actually whatever happens it is not a poor decision because you just can't have a man managing your club who continually puts his own interests before yours because sooner or later he will leave you in the lurch. No one is bigger than the club, not even Harry (you've never had it so good) Redknapp.

    Better to change the manager in the close season than to find your are forced to in the middle of the season.
     
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  12. Good to see that I predicted King Kenny's demise - HIAG would be proud of me!!!!
    And didn't realise that the idiot Gaf had been around so long. How time flies!!!
     
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  13. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
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    Anyway Luke when SAF retires you may well have similar issues at United. Do you remember what happened when Busby retired, I do.

    Perhaps you would like Redknapp at United, he is available. Would you have him there Luke? He's younger than SAF. <laugh>
     
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  14. Spurm

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    I'd love to see Utd try to compete on 3-4 fronts with Harry in charge.
    I really think we might see a professional footballer die from exhaustion
     
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  15. PleaseNotPoll

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    Sounds about right.
     
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  16. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
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    Yes the bell are ringing, but in your case just the select few, that fit your mindset. It took 17 years for Man U to find their feet after Busby in between times they tried all the top managers of the day all of whom had better records than Redknapp. Until SAF came they were no better off than Spurs. We have been trying since 1974 when Bill Nich retired and we have had 3 managers during that time with better records than Harry. Burkinshaw with 2 FA cups and 1 UEFA Cup, Venables with 1 FA CUP and Pleat with a 3rd place and 1 FA Cup final. Harry managed a top position of 4th twice but won, nothing and then tells us we have never had it so good.

    Times have changed Luke, yes they have and Spurs are close to something. Something that was started in recent times by Jol and carried on by Redknapp carried on but not really bettered. We have been in around for a few years and it's quite reasonable for Levy to want to push that little bit further.

    As a Man U supporter you may think Spurs have done better than they could reasonably expect under Redknapp.

    Well I bloody don't, as far as I am concerned Redknapp has done an ok job with the resources available to him and not much more. Future England manager, yeah right! it just shows you the power of media hype these days. I don't ever remember an England manager with such a mediocre record as Redknapp do you? I FA Cup with Portsmouth yeah that will make him a world beater! Yes of course it will. <laugh>
     
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  17. SpursDisciple

    SpursDisciple Booking: Mod abuse - overturned on appeal
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    The last quote was mine

    I stand by that completely. No back-tracking from me.
     
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  18. SpursDisciple

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    Didn't stop you tearing me off a strip for adding "but" after "he's a great manager" in the previous thread <laugh>
     
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  19. Spurlock

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    cant believe i had fuk all to say in that article <laugh>
     
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  20. Spurlock

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    but also as a fan of another club..you cannot feel the emotions that are involved with the Redknapp sacking...the sense of betrayel,disrespect,love,hate,heartache,joy,bemusement...losing,winning whichever emotion it maybe...you will not feel what someone who loves Spurs...follows the team in it's every footstep...for many years etc, will feel.

    and these are type of feelings that were involved in the Harry decision.

    It was not just about the football....we can all enjoy good football..but we cant all feel the emotion unless you are a follower....just like i cant quite share your truimphs with United emotionally...but i can appreciate their football and success.
     
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