Hatem Loves Newcastle

http://www.nufcfans.co.uk/2014/07/hatem-loves-newcastle-pardew-problem-ben-arfas-agent-speaks/?

Quotes from Hatem’s agent Michel Ouazine suggest he’s confused as to why Ben Arfa has been frozen out by Alan Pardew at Newcastle.

Ouazine says that Hatem loves Newcastle, continues to train well (with the reserves) and both Pardew and Newcastle haven’t explained why Ben Arfa has been left on the sidelines.

The Magpies are struggling to get rid of the Frenchman – with question marks over his attitude. However, Hatem’s adviser has dismissed the rumours.

Here are some of the quotes.

On Hatem being frozen out

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“We don’t know what the problem is. Pardew in the past has said Hatem was extraordinary. Hatem has done everything for Newcastle, every effort has been made ​​to discuss the problem.

“We are in a situation where there doesn’t seem to be a solution. He is simply doing his job: he trains well, he enjoys training with the reserves where he has a great coach Peter Beardsley.”

On Hatem being fined for being overweight

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“It’s unfair and humiliating. We will challenge the fine.

“We asked Newcastle to give us the player’s physical records. Hatem went on vacation with a personal trainer, he has worked to prepare for this season. That 1.5 kg? Yes, it is a pound of muscle and 500 grams of fat. He lost 2% body fat. We therefore challenge the fines.”




Hmm. Sounds to me that he's got a very, very savvy agent. HBA knows his numbers up but he's using any way he can to make life uncomfortable for NUFC to get his dream move to Lyon. Don't repeat the Marseille mistake, instead blame the manager, not the club, so you look a bit better than when you went on strike. Plus you don't need to strike, you're already in the reserves. He should be out before too long, and maybe we can use his purple place to secure another defender.

 

Don't know who's to blame. It's well versed that he sometimes has a **** attitude, but I wonder how much is that down to mismanagement. He was a worldbeater (inconsistently, granted) in a few games last year, surely he can't have gone that bad/fat in such a short space of time. I wonder what Peter Beardsley makes of him? All I know it's a crying shame that he isn't involved in the first team.

 

The sooner this episode is resolved the better. However the big positive is now a reduced fee is being thought about there has been a trickling of small interest from Galatasray, Dnipro, AC Milan and french interest. There are £1.5m fees being muted and I think we should snap their hands off.

I don't think its unfair to pinpoint the problem as the manager. The relationship with the manager is the problem. Pardew clearly expects a certain amount of professionalism in terms of fitness/commitment. HBA has refused play ball with those demands and they've hit an impass. Sometimes the modern day footballer gets it in his head he is bigger than the club. Hatem probably thought Pardew's time was coming to end and therefore stuck two fingers up at him, got fat etc. Its turned out to be a silly move and he has underestimated the faith Ashley has in Pardew.

Regardless if I like or dislike Pardew or think he should still be here, I know I don't want HBA in the dressing room or in the trenches for us. He is a liability and not a good team man. He is not good enough in terms of what he delivers to just accept that (if you ever should)

 

It is just the agent being the uncomfortable mouthpiece this time. They want the saga at an end, but this time they want the club/fan "relationship" intact, which it isn't at Marseille. He wants to play the victim, rather than the perp, so that he becomes more attractive to other clubs. NUFC/Pardew won't argue this in public, they will offer no comment - they know the facts, Pards' job isn't at risk and anything that makes Hatem more attractive is ok in the clubs book, I imagine.

I'd like to think with HBA being probably the last significant mover out that we still aim to bring in two more. Anyone other than Hatem leaving and it increases the need for bodies by 1.

 

I know who I'd believe between Hatem and Billy Bullshitter Pardew. I'd trust Pinocchio over that ****

 

Depends which Pinocchio. The Walt Disney version, Pinocchio is essentially a likeable character who somewhat learns the error of his ways.

Regardless the truth is already out there for all to see - HBA has resembled Dumbo at times and there is only one man to blame for that and it ain't Alan Pardew.

 

It's funny how Ben Arfa has had poor man management from every manager he's ever played under, you've got to feel for the lad.

 

I disagree or what is the point in having managers.

Pardew showed his true colours last season hes a ****. He always looks to blame someone or something. He tried to change Ben arfa unto a player he isn't rather than use him effectively for what he is.

Pardew made him lose confidence and he looked confused if you ask me.

When Pardew messes it up come Christmas we will see

 

Bollocks, you just sound like another Hatem fan boy, at pains to ignore what are cast iron facts. I think he did try to manage him, he fined him for being a fat ****. HBA didn't wantt o be managed so contested it. How many players have played under Pardew at Newcastle? How many have decided to be completely unprofessional and turn up for WORK out of shape? One. Case closed for me. I don't rate Pardew very highly in the management stakes, but I rate HBA lower in the professionalism stakes. I know who I'd sooner see f** off. Pardew may not be very talented but at least he puts the effort in. He's had his own unprofessional moments with discipline, but HBA's sins are easily the worst. He is like the t**t you work with who doesn't want to work.

In an ideal world I'd rather have a talented manager with talented players who are professional and work hard.

He hasn't tried to change the type of player HBA is, just like he didn't try and change the player Cabaye was. He just expects professional footballers to be professional. Its not much to ask, the weasily little c**t is happy enough to pick up his monster wages. He should try earning them once in a while. Had HBA really wanted to stay here, he'd have accepted the justifiable fine and got his head down. He has gone the other way and the club and manager have rightly said enough is enough.

 

Its just a coincidence guv, honest

 

HBA is one of the few people with less credibility than BBP.

 

He isn't actually over weight though, plenty of pictures of him doing the rounds on twitter in the last few days and he's actually looking very lean.

Regardless whether it's his fault or not, a manager should always explain to a player why he's training with the kids and Pardew clearly hasn't done that.

Poor man management mixed with a player with a poor attitude is always going to end in disaster. Both have been at fault at different times for me. Best all round that Ben Arfa goes now though.

 

This is clear from what ? HBA's agent's statement to the press ?

You're right - - that is a credible source

 

Well yeah, but also due to the fact that Pardew avoids the Ben Arfa question at all costs. So much so that his response when asked about it last night was "Hatem isn't here" and that was it.

 

The fact that Pardew doesn't issue statements to the press insisting that it is all HBA's fault must surely stand in his favour. The whole of this conversation should be held behind closed doors and not through press releases.

The fact that Pardew doesn't state to the press that he has told HBA that he is an unprofessional twat doesn't mean that he hasn't told HBA that. It just means that he has learned the simple rule that what is said behind closed doors stays behind closed doors.

 

But he's come out and said Obertan is free to leave because he won't get games, why not do the same with Ben Arfa?

 

Best thing now is that Pardew gets his way. Ben arfa, marveaux, mbiwa and any other player he doesn't want - to leave, let Saylor take his place at the heart of defence, give Obertan another chance as he will come good sooner or f**king later and plenty of new recruits to improve under his inspired leadership and tactical genius. This time though he can't be blaming players, the investment, the weather, the media and any other f**king thing to pass the blame to if we start poorly this season. Despite him leaving a charmed life beyond belief up here he would have to be sacked.

 

Who can blame him, it certainly shouldn't be all about HBA which it is at times. Its so old. If HBA/our fans can't work out why he is training with the reserves, I'm not quite sure how. He turned up back for pre season above the agreed weight (this is normal practice for all modern professional athletes to ensure they maintain a certain level of fitness in off season). He has then contested the resulting fine. Until he accepts the fine and acts professionally he was always gonna be ostracised, he simply must have known this. I don't buy all this I'm innocent, I don't why I've not been told. It is obvious what is going on unless I'm misreading something or being misled about what the issue is?

What do people actually propose? "You know what Hatem, forget about the fine, you don't have to obey the same rules as everyone else, welcome back in the fold. Don't do it again though." Its good he has got himself lean in the intervening period, but he still needs to accept the fine and who is in charge before he can join the first team. If he wants to act like a child..................

I'm sick of doing this dance with him so I agree we should sell. I just can't work out why anyone thinks its ok how he behaves. If you ran a football club to suit his professional standards you'd drop through the leagues like a stone. Pardew is an average manager but HBA is one of the few things he has got spot on. Imagine if we had Van Gaal, HBA would have been kicked into touch long ago. He wouldn't have done it any different to Pardew. Look at young Luke Shaw "you're not fit" "ok boss I'll work hard to get fitter".

 

Obertan hasn't been unprofessional though, he is just a reserve player who Pardew wants to be fair with. I think Pardew would prefer that HBA had the application to go with his talent. Then Pardew would have a good player. Obertan just isn't good enough. A manager has to treat each situation on its own merits. He is saying Obertan has little chance of playing. HBA probably would have a chance of playing if he applied himself. Pardew is not going to announce that to the press as you are venturing into murky water. You can use the media a little to motivate someone. He has tried that with HBA in the past with varying degrees of success. Now though they have an internal disciplinary issue, that should not be a source of public discussion (though we are getting to the point where Pardew needs to defend the clubs stance)