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has your opinion on vettel changed

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by tribo32, Apr 12, 2013.

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how has your opinion on vettel changed

  1. always liked him

  2. never liked him

  3. liked him before sepang but now dislike him

  4. disliked him before sepang but like him now

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  1. tribo32

    tribo32 Member

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    i am keen to find out whether or not recent events and comments have made people view Vettel differently, personally i feel that he has become too arrogant and disrespectful and to me less likeable.
     
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  2. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Most people who say this hated him anyway.

    I haven't changed too much, I like the way he took the law into his own hands, but don't like how he's handled himself out of the car. He shouldn't have apologised in my opinion, and all the stuff about not understanding the order doesn't make any sense.
     
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  3. Julius Caesar

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    I can't vote on the poll since there's no option to suit.

    I was always fairly neutral towards Seb, actually wanted him to be the one to win the title last year and not Alonso (since i can't stand Ferrari), and i still am really. I will admit the saga has lowered my opinion of him noticeably, but not to the extent that i've become overly anti-Vettel,
     
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  4. shogs

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    Doesn't particularly change anything for me.

    I've never wanted Vettel to win anyway as the races that he wins are usually boring as hell which isn't his fault obviously but hardly makes me want to root for him. The reason I dislike him is because he constantly wins.

    He was a bit childish here but 7 points is a lot when it comes to the title. It's red bull as a team who are to blame for trying to enforce team orders. I think Vettel was still in the wrong though.
     
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  5. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    Well he's never been my favourite but i've always somewhat liked him, not anymore though.. And i'm not a fan of Webber either. The championships have gone to his head and he's now Schumacher the 2nd, just not as good.
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Yes... my opinion has changed drastically in the last few days.

    He could have come out and been honest right after the last race, instead he fluffed his way through it, and now the powers that be have given him the nod, he's making Horner look like a complete cucumber. I am not impressed by this at all.

    If I were Horner, I'd walk... and RBR should be wary of scaring off Newey. All of this is bonkers. Horner now has no authority in that team.
     
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  7. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    ive gone from neutral to not liking him so much. dont hate him but finding him more and more irritating
     
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  8. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    The thing is, he's young... and though he's 3x WDC, he still seems a bit naive. Somebody needs to tell him that he's handled this all wrong though.
     
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  9. Kyle?

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    Liked him before, still like him now. Takes balls to totally ignore your team.
     
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  10. cosicave

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    Despite not having a preferred option, I've voted. I've voted for the option which is probably closest to how I feel about what has happened in the aftermath of his (ahem) "misunderstanding" of team orders.

    I am not keen on waffle or words which are close to dishonest. First, Vettel's inconsistent apology shortly after the race simply did not ring true. His apparent insincerity was therefore a mistake. Then, having made such a mistake, if he felt that actually he'd said the wrong thing or did not mean what he said at all, he should have kept quiet, rather than contradict his non-apology by saying he would do the same thing again or excusing himself with mealy-mouthed waffle that somehow Webber "did not deserve it" (the win).

    I should add that my opinion of Vettel has nothing to do with Webber; and that whatever happened before does not excuse insincerity or vindictive retribution. If Vettel believes his latest version of events, he has shown two character traits I find negative: childishness (is the negative sense); and spitefulness. He has also shown extreme ruthlessness which can (and will) be seen as a positive by many – and in that, I might sometimes include myself, dependent upon how it is done – as well as demonstrating an unbelievable arrogance; another trait some people may see as somehow positive. However, when done under the cover of waffle and what seems a complete lack of respect to anyone but himself, I'm afraid I am likely to lose at least some of the respect I previously had…

    Poor show, Seb. Poor show…
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    P.S. Oddly enough, there are parallels with various examples of conduct (which includes waffling insincerity) which eroded my respect for the man Vettel sees as his role model: Schumacher. I suppose we should have all seen it coming…
     
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  11. canarian

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    I have tended to follow young drivers because they are the future. Michael Schumacher and Vettel were excellent examples of fantastic then achieved potential. They get their first wins to prove it then somehow seem to screw it up because they think they are bigger than the team. It's interesting for the sport and the fans but for me, I think less of Vettel but not just because of the last race.
     
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  12. allsaintchris.

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    Never liked him that much, certainly have a dim view of him now.

    He is like a 3 year old. Happy when its all going his way, spits his dummy when its not, and ignores his parents and snatches a toy off someone else if he wants it.

    Silver's constant pursecutional rhetoric didn't help much either towards swaying an opinion on him.
     
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  13. cosicave

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    Nicely summed up there, ASC.
     
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  14. RoadRunner

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    Oops, accidentally also voted on "disliked him before sepang but like him now". Definitely not the case!
     
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  15. St. Slicks of Stoneham

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    Never liked him much as a person and his driving skills were a bit skittish to start with although much improved now. My opinion has dropped even further now, not so much because he ignored team orders but he's now made Horner and his team look quite inept with his selfish attitude. Still, never mind Seb, we've fixed Webber's car so he'll be starting from the back - no more team orders.
     
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  16. Max Whiplash

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    This is a difficult one to answer simply: the word 'narcissistic' always springs to my mind first whenever Vettel has one of his 'moments'; then again, doesn't a driver have to be self-absorbed to truly succeed in this sport?

    I decided a while ago that Vettel was everything he confirmed to me through his behaviour at the last race but, on the other hand, I loved Senna who, in his own way of course, was equally self-absorbed. There were a fair few accusations of hypocrisy flying around in the aftermath of Multi-21-gate but I think that, deeper than this, we develop emotional attachments to certain drivers and we choose to ignore, or sometimes even praise, their narcissism if they are 'our' driver and condemn them if they are not.

    Narcissism (sociopathy, call it what you will) is, IMO, an integral part of competition at the highest level, be it in sport, business or politics. It is, to me, a very unpleasant and inhuman human quality but without it in F1, every driver would be a Kovalainen and Bernie would be a banker.
     
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  17. The Lone Rangel

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    Good driver, nice guy but increasingly full of himself.

    Would never have won that many titles in a row in another car.
     
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  18. St. Slicks of Stoneham

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    I think Vettel tries very hard to be one of the 'likeable' characters of F1, eg Rubens, Jenson, Nico (Rosberg), (imo of course), but it's not natural for him. All drivers need to have a hard/fighting/selfish streak, but some seem able to manage this better than others, and we shouldn't perhaps judge them too harshly for being that way. Vettel's problem (if it is one) is being immature about it, putting himself above everyone else and causing other people problems.
     
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  19. StoneRosesRam

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    I liked him up until Germany last year when he acted very immature regarding Hamilton lapping him also watching the 2012 review with the added team radio I noticed how much more often he seemed to moan (Although fans like Silver would argue that it is supposed propaganda against Vettel <doh>)

    It's all well and good being everyone's best mate when things are going well but sometimes you see the true nature of someone when the chips are down, I don't expect drivers to joke and smile when things are not going their way but they still should not throw their toys out of the pram every time the going gets tough.
     
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  20. Zingy

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    This is the same reason I dislike him.
     
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