Has Pards now started to lose the dressing room?

I have a gut feeling he may have done.
It's the same team, bar Cabaye which racked up the points pre Xmas... yet the wheels seem to have come off now big time.
I firmly believe we still have thew quality, it's just not being motivated correctly right now.

 

He hasn't lost santon, he's guaranteed a start.

 

How he can keep his job after churning out results like last night is disgraceful, it's an insult to all of us having a manager who doesn't seem to care a jot.

If he's still here next season I wont be renewing my ST and I wont even go to the games on a pay as you go basis.

 

I honestly believe he has since the Cabaye sale. I think the penny has dropped for the players as to just how much little influence the manager has.

 

It's not looking good for next season if he stays, we are going to need new forwards... (Not De Jong) remy probably will be off, new defenders and new midfielders. And if Krul goes a new keeper!

It will look good in Ashley's pocket but not in results on the pitch.

Thinking about it now, we are only taking loans preferably while fat mike gets as much money out and then when it comes time to sell the new owners would have to put money into the squad. Why would he waste money? And when you look at it like that we could maybe rid of Ashley within two years - where our team will be I don't know

 

It doesn't look too clever right now. But I'll reserve judgment until both Cheikh and Colo get back.

We're totally spineless right now. D is in shambles. Not scoring is one thing but leaking goals left right and centre is no bueno.

 

To help relate to the situation, I'd liken it to any line management job.

Let's say you manage a team of admin staff in an office. It's a big company, with a good history and a very large and loyal customer base. Everything suggests that this company 'could' be really successful. So working there 'should' be highly motivational. It's the kind of company that people 'should' really want to work for. And yet it continues to limp along, without the success if key competitors. It pays lower wages than competitors and doesn't invest in enhancing the company infrastructure because the owners don't have any ambition to be a market leader.

Now, you are a good team manager and motivator of people. You pride yourself in your ability to keep everyone focused. At times, you enjoy some great successes, getting the best out of the people Dorking in your team. But as time gies by, some if the best staff are poached by the bigger competitors who not only pay them more, but can offer greater job satisfaction and career development opportunities.

Not only that, but your loyal customers begin to get disgruntled as it impacts the level of service you can offer them. Some start to snub your company, which in turn makes this worse as it means even less investment coming in. It could become a very nasty spiral.

After a while, this starts to demoralise the team, as the lack of corporate ambition filters it's way down to all at the company. Hell, even you start to struggle to get out of bed some days, let alone get your team firing on all cylinders.

It's not just the lack of success, it's the frustration that it could so easily be soooo much better if the owners would only pay for a new network system to speed up processing, or invest in staff training and development, or improve the on sight facilities.

Is it YOUR fault if you can't get the very, very best out if your team?

Or put another way, would it be right for the director to sack you and get a new manager in who can hopefully get these bunch of whngers performing? Would you genuinely accept that it would be the best thing all round for you to get the boot? Would it make a difference to results?

Apply this to whichever industry you are in. Whether it's NHS, whether you are a building contractor whose parent company won't pay for the best equipment/contractors, whether you are a head teacher at an under performing school that isn't getting financial backing to improve. You name it, you can relate this scenario to your job.

I'm not saying Pardew is a saint and I'm not saying he's nit at fault. Hell, I've been one if the ones joking in the past about PARDEW OUT. But I genuinely don't think there is a lot that he, or a replacement manager, could do in the long term to change things with Ashley in charge.

It MUST come from above. There has to be ambition. Visible ambition that emanates throughout the business. The owners must have a vision of being the best in their industry and get EVERYBODY in the firm to buy into that philosophy. Without it, the line manager and staff can only do so much when they are competing against much bigger guns.

 

Sit through the **** games we've had to sit through this season and see the tailors dummy standing there not bothered about what's going on out on the field and you'd soon change your mind.

We're paying good money to be entertained and hopefully win games, unfortunately we're getting neither.

 

Very good point, well made!

 

I do get that, I really do. But is it Pardew's fault that Sissoko missed a great chance to equalise v Chelsea and maybe change the game? Is it it his fault that Krul was playing 'flappy bird' on the pitch last night? Is it his fault we've had up to six key players missing at once in recent games? And so on.... If it is, then too right he should go. NOW! But I don't think he's the ONE to blame. Replacing him won't change things. At least not after the initial 4 or 5 game instant impact many new managers bring before they settle into normality.

 

Maybe if you were a paying customer and went to the games you'd see things in another light.

Pards puts the players on the pitch and it's his job to see that they do their job!

 

He needs to go. It's as simple as that.

 

But I was only trying to put it into perspective with a balanced view!

 

If you'd been to the game and seen the **** we were served up you really would have been crying!

 

If he was at a West Ham, Fulham, Villa etc... and posting results like this... would he still be there?
Nope.


Even with spending in the summer I really think he will struggle to motivate this team.

Now is the time to make a change.. let a new guy have a go.... asess his players.... and be ready for next season.

Hell.. I'd even take Beardsley managing the kids as our starting 11 for the rest of the season given that we are safe.

 

At least Pedro loves the club and would shed blood, sweat and tears for it.

 

Now isn't the time to make a change - - I don't want to sift through the unemployed managers CV to choose the least bad available candidate who's willing to take the job. Regardless of whether you think Pardew should go, I can't see this being an improvement. At least wait till the summer when we have half a chance of signing someone who will be an improvement.

 

Ashleys perverse sense of humour in seeing us suffer like this will defo mean he keeps Pards till end of the season. After that who knows, keep Pards to rile us and see if we can achieve somewhere near safety by Christmas again with a minimum outlay ( ie more loans ) or sack him and give himself nightmares at the thought of pay off money to a man who at best is a Championship manager.
Of course who the next manager would be know one knows but looking at the disasterous appointments and gaffes of Ashley in his tenure here we may end up with someone as bad as Pardew if that was possible. Bottom half finish this season and for the forseeable.

 

I dont blame Pardew for everything that is wrong at the club. It is a combination of things. As a manager (not at a football club) myself i know that its easy to motivate staff when things are rosy, investment is there and staff everyone is pushing in the same direction.

The problem starts when the structure and in particular individuals fail.

Ashley is the prime problem at the moment. The lack of investment, the lack of desire or ambition is clearly having a knock on effect on the players. Think of it yourself. The players are looking at it like, well if they are not committing 100% then why should I. Yes yes they are getting paid serious money and are very lucky but it is all relative. They are still humans.

When key personel in a business do not perform then it affects everyone from the bottom to the top.

Pardew is trying to do the best he can under the circumstances. Notice I say "best HE can" because another manager may do better or worse. But with the tools at his disposal it is impossible to predict if any manager would do any better.

You could have the worlds best chef cooking a meal, but if you give him no ingrediants he cant create jack ****!

The fundamental flaw with our club at the moment is the complete lack of ambition from the top. It filters down. The manager struggles as he loses his key assets. Without replacements his plans are blown out of the water. Then the players realise there is no plan B.

His statement I believe yesterday was "patience is the key" - How much patience do we, the fans have to have.

No investment means no progress.

This link shows a lot. (Sorry I do not know how to include it as a picture)

http://www.sportingintelligence.com...013/09/PL-spend-summer-2013-gross-by-club.jpg

I know this is a snapshot of just one transfer window. But my theory always has been that to progress you have to invest.

Meh, we all know that currently things are crap. Some fans who say that we are overreacting really do need to take a reality check. They have either got used to being average or are completely bonkers.

One final thing I want to add. Even if you dont have the quality, the next best attribute is effort. Have we honestly been witnessing this of late.

Answers on a post card.

 

For me personally, the penny has dropped as to just how little Ashley gives a toss. I mean, I knew he was attempting a different model, but I thought there was some semblance of a strategy in there for gradual, slow and steady, sustainable progression. Maybe there still is, but I now know this is not because of any hope to see NUFC win something, or really compete, but to try and prove a point, regardless of the impact on anything else.

I am pretty sure that Mike Ashley is as selfish and as pig-headed individual as I have ever seen. I think he believes so absolutely in himself that he has absolutely - and I mean absolutely - no regard for anyone else. You can see it in his personal life - the guy's worth £2bn, his parents still live in a small semi detached in Maidenhead because of a fall out that happened years ago. He doesn't talk to them. You can see it in what he's done to Firetrap, Lilywhites, and so on - takes a good brand and destroys it for commercial gain. The guy has nothing in his toolkit to run a football club.