Martin O'Neill P.66 W.21 D.20 L.25 (Win percentage) 31.82 Gus Poyet P.58 W.19 D.17 L.22 (Win percentage) 32.76 *stats from wiki* Scarily similar to look at. What made me look at this was that im finding the same frustration with Poyet that I did with O'Neill. Set up not to lose rather than to win. Dont get me wrong I dont want him sacked but I just wish unlike O'Neill he grows a pair and starts going for the 3 points. It ultimately led to O'Neill's demise, will it for Poyet?
Gus has 8 games in hand on those stats though mate. Could make a hefty difference. Either way of course.
IMO Gus has had a much bigger mess to clean up too. I disagree that were set up not to lose, fact is we've not got the tools see if if this system works from an attacking point. Two of our most creative players have been out injured and our best striker is hampered by niggling injuries. We're also massively short of pace, and have our to pacy fullbacks who provide the pace and width also injured. Rome wasn't built in a day, he's hasn't had the budget to evolve the squad quickly. But tightening the defence is job one for any manager. He's done that.
I like gus but ill play devils advocate here. Sorted the defence? 3rd worst goals against record only teams worse are Qpr and Leicester. We can't say 8 goals dont count just because they came in one gane. Not set up to lose? 10 draws from 16 games and the lowest amount of wins, less than Burnley (3) and QPR (4) and level with the bottom 2. 3rd worst for goals scored and 4th worst goal difference. 2 points outside of the relegation zone (could be 1 tonight) Im not even trying to make a case against but it isn't hard. These next 4 games are make or break really.
Think as funk says, he has had a mighty mess to clean up We need to stick with a manager who knows what he wants Gus has the plan and says he isnt even half way to getting the players he wants in to play his system... Every manager has had to play the current system due to the players available... Poyet has had 2 windows now and had some good and fairly bad buys upto now However think once he is given the time to get rid off the fringe and bring in some quality then we will start seeing his actual footballing tactics Getting rid of Gus now would be diabolical
I'd imagine you'd have a minority forming wanting him out Shame they are always the ones that get listened to
It would be to me. I want Gus here for the long haul. Bottom three or not. Getting rid would be stupid. Who is out there that is any better that is affordable? No one IMO. I hope most SAFC fans would back him too. Poyet had to scrape the players off the floor after an 8-0 loss. If, at 0-2 we had got a blatant penalty and had the keeper sent off, I wonder how much different that game would be? Regardless of that, we are no longer a walk over which we looked. We.are solid at the back despite missing two big defenders for us. That, to me, says how much further forward we are. Those numbers don't tell much at all. Most of Poyet's losses came when we were rooted to the bottom and down on everything. At that time if we'd bet half on black and half on red the wheel would've stopped on 00!
Never been Poyet biggest fan but I'll give him abit more time. let's see who he brings in January. Plus he need to shut the **** up & get on with it.
I want him to be here for the long haul too as I think he has a vision and a philosophy that if he's backed could see us join that group outside the top 5. I hope Short backs him in January and gets him a goalscorer.
Tbh mate I think Fletch can be that player given the service Think Alvarez looks superb and if given the game time could be the creative outlet we have been looking for Definitely need some defensive cover this window Quite weird that for once in window we arent looking for dramatic changes and just a couple of players
I think we need a different type of striker. Someone with pace who can run in behind and stretch the opposition. Joel Campbell maybe. Danny Ings has pace aswell as being a good finisher. He's out of contact in the summer. I hope we have a look.
Id be tempted by Ings mind i must admit, same as Rhodes but as you said Ings would come a lot cheaper Would preferably get a full back and centre back in though, then possibly look at your box to box midfielder and a striker
i think the general opinion in football is that poyet is doing fine with most level headed people seeing a steady progress within the team and when returning players are fit and a couple of players come in (fingers crossed and a couple leave) the squad looks solid . Regarding setting out not to lose is not all bad but in doing so you still lose was oneils biggest failure ,it was the most mind numbing football to watch and endure with no other plan at all,poyet is making headway as is the club ,however we need to produce a few more home growns imo.
Take the Soton game away and we have the 4th best defense in the league. Individual mistakes have cost at time yes but surely everyone can see how much better we are defensively it's crystal clear where I'm looking from. Fact is we've had chance to win games and lacked a clinical edge, if some of those had gone in it would be a very different story. So how is that setting not to lose when we've had chances to win games? Serious question. Gus hasn't missed those chances, the players have so it's out of his hands. Yes don't create enough it's clear to see but confusing that for playing for draws is daft imo. So two questions, 1 how are we playing for a draw or playing not to lose(stupid saying) when we've had chance to win games? and 2, if of the 8 games we've scored in this season and remembering that in 6 of them we've took the lead in. How is that playing for draws? We've tried to defend leads and failed yes, we're struggling to create yes, we've made ourselves harder to beat yes. But there's no way I believe we're not trying to win games. I can just accept we're limited and that's why we're not scoring.
Gus Poyet really isn't enjoying himself... Sunderland just aren't good enough going forward as boredom and frustration creeping inPUBLISHED: 07:57 GMT, 15 December 2014 | UPDATED: 10:13 GMT, 15 December 2014As Gus Poyet held court beside a Christmas tree inside the Stadium of Light, his mood was far from festive. For the first time, the Sunderland boss confessed that he was not enjoying himself.Not only that, he admitted that perhaps he isn’t the man to bring about a change of fortune, even forecasting a campaign of boredom in the months ahead.In short, Poyet is frustrated; frustrated with a side which lacks imagination and verve, frustrated that the club – led by sporting director Lee Congerton - have failed to provide him with players who can make the difference.Gus Poyet was left frustrated with a meek Sunderland performance against West Ham United‘I want to do better and I want people to feel better. I am not enjoying this,’ said the Uruguayan, whose side have now drawn 10 of their 16 matches this season.‘I enjoy it when I win, but when I draw too many I don't enjoy it. Maybe the problem is me, it is my character. Maybe it is not possible. Maybe we will need to wait three years (before we start winning).‘The easiest way to solve all these problems is to get a player who can make the difference on his own. We don’t have one at the moment. Unless someone wins player of the month like Connor Wickham and Adam Johnson did last season, it is going to be boring draws all the time.’January, you feel, could be a make-or-break month for the disenchanted South American. He started with USA striker Jozy Altidore on Saturday, the £6.5million flop who had scored once in 41 Premier League appearances. Make that 42. He was guilty of a glaring miss when swiping at fresh air three yards from an open goal to extend his top-flight drought to one year and one week.‘It could have changed the game,’ said Steven Fletcher, the man left out at Altidore’s expense. ‘But it happens to all of us – he’s got to forget about it quickly.’Jozy Altidore missed an easy chance on Saturday and hasn't scored a league goal for a yearThe score was 1-1 at the time, the outstanding Stewart Downing having cancelled
Definitely disagree We look like we might score, I will never forget how horrible the latter stages of MoN's reign were. We weren't solid in defense like we are now, and we really didn't look like threatening. With Giacc and Alvarez coming back hopefully things improve
Gus definitely wants to win, not in his character to play for anything other than a win. Every game we have chances to win and every game we miss them, it is depressing and there's not much Gus can do to impact that.
The only way a win can be achieved is to have bodies forward a bloody sight faster than we have been. Even a longer ball game into space for men running into it would help rather than the short slow passing style we have now. Movement off the ball is as important as possession.
