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Greg Dyke speech

Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by tipsycanary, Sep 4, 2013.

  1. tipsycanary

    tipsycanary Well-Known Member

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    What do people think to what he has said? Well he has basically pointed out there are many problems in the English game. Sure most people could see that haha. But very little about what should be done.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23963416

    Not sure his "targets" for Englands success are sensible, nor realistic. Would of been better off stating what could be done to improve football in this country.

    Any ideas to a massive question?
     
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  2. canary_max

    canary_max Well-Known Member

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    agreed, he seemed to be saying everything except the FA taking any responsibility for the problems <doh>

    there are so many issues to deal with - good thread - could be a long one!
     
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  3. Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed

    Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed Well-Known Member

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    honestly, i don't know where to start. he's failed to actually stipulate how they will address any of the nations failings and in the meantime, set unrealistic targets.

    welcome to the new FA. same as the old FA <doh>

    did like this comment though from the fans section:
    "I've been inspired by Greg Dyke , and decided to set myself the personal target of becoming superman by 2020 and god by 2022."

    i've already reached that first target sunshine. next up, GOD :D

    <laugh>
     
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  4. Beefforhire-NCFC

    Beefforhire-NCFC Well-Known Member

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    Well, at least hes ambitious.

    If he's going to get anywhere he needs to change everything, because its all wrong at the moment.

    Await any sort of policy change with not-so-baited breath
     
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  5. tipsycanary

    tipsycanary Well-Known Member

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    It was very much a politician style answer. Blame everyone but your own organisation. Wish they would say how they are going to achieve the frankly stupid aims. Not so much against the aims I guess, more that it seems to be silly to state them to the world, will all come tumbling down. I guess you never know, the may make wholesale changes that will revolutionise our game <whistle>
     
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  6. Beefforhire-NCFC

    Beefforhire-NCFC Well-Known Member

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    I have to admit I thought he would stand up today and simply say

    "Jack Wilshere"

    and receive a 10 minute standing ovation
     
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  7. ColkOfTheBarclay

    ColkOfTheBarclay Well-Known Member

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    HAHA! Very good!

    Probably would have been for the best. He was struggling through his speech. Didn't exactly fill me with confidence. I'd like to think that the England team goes into every World Cup with the intention of winning. Maybe they don't realistically think they can but how many of the players do you think went into the 2010 world cup thinking "Lets not try and win this one"... Probably most of them actually, judging by the way they played! Bad example!
     
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  8. CotswoldCanary

    CotswoldCanary New Member

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    It was just a cheap publicity stunt.

    I still can't believe Rickie Lambert can play for England. He was shockingly bad and didn't look interested on Saturday.

    England are just not collectively good enough.
     
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  9. Walsh.i.am

    Walsh.i.am Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    See, this is the fundamental problem. If teams like ours are going to keep signing your Wolfsburgers and Ferburgers....then no one else is going to get a sniff.

    Least of all up and coming young English starlets.
     
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  10. General Melchett

    General Melchett Well-Known Member

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    It's far to late for 2022 its only 9 years away! Is the coaching of our 11-23 year olds so improved and different from a decade ago that suddenly we will have a glut of WCT come through? Has anyone on this forum got kids playing in those age ranges who has seen revolutionary strides forward since they played as a youngster? Or is it still win at all costs with the biggest, strongest lads as its always been?

    Bah!
     
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  11. tipsycanary

    tipsycanary Well-Known Member

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    From what I have seen not too much has changed at grassroots for kids training. Although I would say in some places the facilities are greatly improved. In reality there are far too few coaches at that level, much of it parents doing great work helping kids just play. The question is how far down the scale do you offer high level coaching? Concentrate it at higher levels or distribute it between all? There need to be more coaches, more accessible but apparently on some courses there is more work on keeping the ball on the floor/passing etc

    I would like to see a quota system which requires clubs to play people who have come from their academy. Rather than an English quota, as this will just mean big clubs buying the best from the smaller clubs when it suits. By having them use players from the academy them must put more effort in youth development. Although I concede large teams will try to buy players younger. Ideally it would be great to prevent that happening as well.
     
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  12. SuffolkCanary

    SuffolkCanary Well-Known Member

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    But we have also signed Redmond and Hooper (Both have a future in the England team).
     
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  13. robbieBB

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    Do we need to look any further than the "Best Transfer Window" thread on here for an illustration of the problem? Did anyone give our national interest, or the encouragement of young home-grown talent (or even young talent generally), any consideration when weighing up PL squads at the close of the window?<ok>
     
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  14. JKCanary

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    Step 1 (and a very achievable one too) for me is not to rush players into the senior England squad.

    Raheem Sterling in the senior squad at 17-18yrs old for example is an absolute joke. We should do as the Spanish (and to an extent, the Germans) do and keep our younger, brighter talents together as a unit in the U21 squad until they are 22/23 yrs old.
    If that sacrifices quality in the senior squad in the short-term, so be it.
     
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  15. Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed

    Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed Well-Known Member

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    nope, and neither will any other fans of clubs in the premier league because their club always come first. should it be that way though? everyone always seems to say 'club before country' these days but hasn't it always been the case really?
     
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  16. marknemo

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    I think we need a serious change in culture and attitude. Speaking from my own experiences local football (sport) in my area is very poor. I live in lincolnshire which is obviously very rural but villages on teams that once had clubs with teams all the way from junior to mens no longer exist and leagues are even no longer running due to lack of teams.

    The club I currently play for has slowly been losing teams of all ages and when I see some of the rudimentary coaching that takes place I really dont feel that there is much forward thinking or innovations taking place. The local council is quite often obstructive and charges huge somes to hire our own village pitch!

    There doesnt seem to be a great network for youngsters to get improve within so I feel that we need to use schools as much possible to identify talented youngsters. There are some excellent coaches around but I think they can be few and far between.

    I really think this is a huge issue for so many different reasons. The main one has to be investing in youth and having a system in place that allows young players access to good facilities and coaching.
     
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  17. Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed

    Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed Well-Known Member

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    the under 21 squad is supposed to be there for a development reason - i can't stand it when kids get fast tracked because its incredibly rare that they are good enough for the first team. occasionally you'll get a freak come through who is - rooney was ready imo - but players like sterling and butland (the most ludicrous of all) are actually going to set these players back
     
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  18. Beefforhire-NCFC

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    Your damn right, damn right.

    It seems as a nation we are always chasing the next gazza, te next wonder kid to come through. It's bollocks.

    We rush our young players, we give them every reward going before they have done anything and they turn into complete dicks. Look at sterlings problems off the field, already.

    This is why proper education needs to be bundled in with football training. Make them good people AND good footballers.
     
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  19. JKCanary

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    If Will Hughes (who I rate very highly indeed) gets a call up to the senior squad before he is 22yrs old I will not be a happy bunny.
     
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  20. robbieBB

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    I don't think it has always been the case, simply because there wasn't the stark conflict of interest between international and club football. You don't have to look far for the source of the problem -- the Premier League. That's where the problem lies, and why it appears to be a uniquely English problem. <ok>
     
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