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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by safcrocket, Dec 21, 2015.

  1. safcrocket

    safcrocket Active Member

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    Lee concerton has left the club today.

    Another silly appointment imo. We should leave it to the manager to sign their own players. Ever since we started with this director of football strategy, the playing staff at the club has increasingly declined.

    Don't bring in another clown. Let Sam sign his own players, and see what happens.
     
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  2. Gordon Armstrong

    Gordon Armstrong Just another S.A.F.C. fan
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    Okay . . . . I'll let him :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    Another case of Short acting on bad advice?

    All this hiring of people and getting rid must be costing a bloody fortune. All waste.
     
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  4. Reggie the Cheddar

    Reggie the Cheddar Well-Known Member

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    Well he and short have some explaining to do as either he wasn't give the right tools for the job or he was just pathetic at said job either way though it's the fans who suffer through either greed or incompetence
     
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  5. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff
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    We haven;t had a "manager" since Martin O'Neill though - we've had a "head coach" the rest of the time

    He was responsible for a number of very good deals we have got through including Defoe, M'Vila, Lens (quality player but ****ty attitude) - All very good players who Congerton put deals in place for. Sam is the Manager - not the Head Coach. Makes a difference straight away. Only time will tell
     
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  6. Jack TheLad

    Jack TheLad Well-Known Member

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    Sam's already said he's here to manage the club - all the way from transfers to training.

    I actually think he did a half decent job considering the constraints he had.

    Lets not forget he got about £9m for Wickham - absolute genius.
     
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  7. Brian Storm

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    No way I'm blaming Congerton. This season's budget was not adequate. Congers didn't set the budget, he was just given the management of the budget. This season the fault lies firmly with Short.

    All clubs make bad signings, if anyone thinks every player Sam purchases is going to turn to gold they're in for a shock. Rodwell looks a bad signing as we had the budget to make a wise choice. I can't think of another signing which he ****ed up with with a proper budget. I'll not write off Borini, I think he's a good player.

    Pants has been decent and was a freebie budget signing, PVA was hoped by everybody he would improve defencively and we were all initially happy about what was a budget signing. Mathews was a budget signing, Jones- Free transfer budget singing, Yedlin- Loan which points at budget, Coates- Budget signing who impressed Dick enough to want him. Kaboul, despite his early season shakiness is a good signings. M'Vila, good signing but only a loan which points to budget, Ola coming in late on loan points to the budget. Defoe straight swap for Jozy was genius, Lens was Dick's choice, Sam problem with him was an area Dick will have been fully aware of.

    If a DoF doesn't have an adequate budget he either needs to overachieve with his budget or sit and wait to be made the scapegoat. We're paying championship prices for players to plug a premiership squad. This window gone would have been decent if we finished what was needed, but it reeked of budget restriction from the off and when we finished 2 or 3 players short It should have been clear to everyone Short has been our recent problem.

    Lee leaves with no shame for me, going because the new manager has wants to manage his own recruitment which has clearly been a deal breaker. Let not forget Lee hasn't been sacked, he's serving notice and gone early through settlement after Sam wanted to conduct his own Jan window.

    One thing won't change lads. Sam will have to do the same as Congers, work with the budget available to him. That budget depends on Short like always. Lets hope he opens his eyes.

    As for Lee, Rodwell was a really bad signing other than that, I can't fault him as his job was impossible for anybody.
     
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  8. Brian Storm

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    We have hindsight now fella, the signings are proof Congerton didn't have the required funds to bring this squad up to the standard of our rivals. Other wise we would had, we've a world of quality players chomping at the bit to play in this league. Attracting names is no longer a problem for any Premier league Club in the summer window. The budget to bring them in is a different matter. An area Short failed to address imo.
     
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  9. Reggie the Cheddar

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    I suspect much the same in regards to the budget or lack thereof. The only benefit of doubt I can afford to Short is maybe players wouldn't come.
     
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  10. Brian Storm

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    But they will. We've got two Ayew borthers players playing in the bottom three. Wijnaldum hovering just above the drop zone and we've got Yann M'Vila playing for us. We've got Shaqiri playing for Stoke, who would have put those names together three season ago?

    All players three season's ago probably wouldn't be interested in any club that didn't regularly finish top 6. Premier League is the new Champions League. Everyone wants to play here, it's got the financial reward and the chance of coverage they wouldn't get in any other competition CL included. The world is full of talent all telling their agents to go out and get them a Premiership club. As a result we're seeing the playing field level out, before long anybody with an exceptional transfer window and the right management could get a run at the title. But you've got to be in it to win it and while we're penny pinching our rivals were trying to make sure they don't get relegated by staying ahead of the competition to ensure a bottomless pit of cash is handed to them next season. We're visibly being left behind.

    Ellis needs to understand although this is a business, it's like no business he's ever known. Every club is doing the opposite to him and now we've got one of the poorest squads in the league.

    You can't afford to stand still and penny pinch anymore.
     
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  11. DAPARKERSAFC

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    For me the DoF model doesn't work for a club of our size/budget.

    This January transfer window is crucial for us andwe need a manager signing players that he wants for his team
     
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  12. marcusblackcat

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    Hindsight? I thought (just an opinion though), at the time we signed him, Rodwell was a great signing. Looked so promising at Everton and Man City came along - I think a few of us thought we'd done well to get him in - then we saw him play and regularly be either rubbish or injured! And once I thought he played OK...
     
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  13. Smug in Boots

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    Having a DOF gives managers like Poyet an all too readily grabbed excuse when 'the wrong players' arrive and don't work.
     
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  14. Brian Storm

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    Agreed. I thought he'd come good. Turns out he was an incredible waste of money which proves my point that Big Sam will sign flops like he always has done because all managers/dof do. What looks a good signing on paper sometimes doesn't work out. I think Congers did well, should have been backed to the hilt imo and I hope Sam is from now, but we'll always have a string of flops coming through like every club.
     
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    By the end of June, Congerton had Lens, Fer, Lombards (?) and Coates already at the AOL. To get them there that quickly, he not only did very well but he must also have had the budget to do it, No one - not Congerton, Short or Advocaat - could have foreseen two medicals failing. I'm sorry Lee Congerton has left but he wouldn't have fitted in with Sam and, given that he has good prospects in Germany, I can't blame him for going. Good luck to the man.
     
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    I was chuffed when we signed Rodwell which is why I'm now more disappointed with him than anyone else we've signed. He's been shocking!
     
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  17. Brian Storm

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    The problem with the budget is not what was brought in it's what wasn't. It was blatantly a limited budget. We ended the window short of the quality numbers required.
     
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  18. Reggie the Cheddar

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    I think it's a lame excuse to say they won't come as well funky there are championship players who would improve surely we could've got them. But like I say I'm trying to give Ellis a little leeway as we don't know the facts. We've got a bloody good idea what the facts are/were mind but still...
     
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  19. Brian Storm

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    Enough to form a view. It's very concerning.
     
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  20. quinneristops

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    I could not agree more. Well said
     
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