http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35147262 IMO this is Unforgivable. So much blood, sweat and so many fekin tears spilt by our military personnel and all those fighting for equality and democracy, over so many many years. Lest we forget: http://icasualties.org/oef/fatalities.aspx Very hard to bear and for what? We step back and the politicians allow the Neanderthal religious ****wits to return, helped by the Saudi religious ****wits who spread their evil word to anyone stupid enough to believe in it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35101612 Others helped their cause: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16821218 Meanwhile Remember this?: http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1871024_1824490,00.html And strangely this: http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/65Safp.htm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...vealed-Tony-Blair-worth-a-staggering-60m.html Whilst others who made a proper stand, must now feel betrayed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai What a ****ed up world
The Taliban retake Helmand, their fighters are looking to ISIS, ISIS are now in Afghanistan, go figure where that goes next.......back to square one. Returning to another terrorist outpost for them to train people to slaughter innocents. Back to females being oppressed and not allowed any education, back to beheadings, to slavery, and utter misery. Resulting in another tide of humanity looking for sanctuary here. Every reason for us to give a ****. My point was that there are those that allegedly support these extremists, such as the Pakistani secret service and those, such as the Saudi government who openly supported the extremist teachings; all of whom the West pander to. Then there are those like Bush and Blair, who ever since 2001 have gone from strength to strength and yet the links between bush and the Saudis has been quite evident and it has the stench of corruption; then look at the picture of Bush with Blair in 2001 Meanwhile the little girl who got shot in the head for daring to go to school in Afghanistan and has since tried to set up schools there, must now be extremely upset and concerned as to what happens next. There will be an awful lot of people such as her who, if it all goes back to ratshit, will be feeling let down and betrayed. There will also be a lot of our lads and lasses, some as we all know, still suffering horrendous disabilities and families of others who did not return, will be asking themselves WTF!!!! They will, I'm sure, if it all does go back to square one, also feel let down and betrayed.
You do realise that the Taliban and ISIS ****ing hate each other and are currently slaughtering each other, don't you? Regardless of all that bullshit you have just spewed, the Taliban want to control Afghanistan, Pakistan and maybe other areas of the Middle East (maybe, not sure). The Taliban don't plan attacks against the West. Afghan isn't our business anymore, leave them alone and the Taliban won't bother us
Absolutely this! The Taliban are a national group only. Thats why ISIS have declared a fatwa against the Taliban and are beheading any Taliban they catch. Isis see themselves as a global group and want a world-wide caliphate. To them, borders are irrelevant.
We should have kept out of it in the first place, those b*****s who sent our lads in ill equiped and unprepared, without any clear objective should be stripped of their medals and pensions, what a waste of our brave soldiers, and for what ?
What? It's an analysis from many intelligence sources, not just my opinion. Your bullshit of leave them alone and they will leave us alone doesn't wash either. Yes they are killing each other ATM, but Taliban fighters are also crossing over to ISIS, which is becoming a global force, so they will in the end win there. My point at the beginning though, yes abit over the top but I was so pissed off after reading the news, was about our Armed Forces suffering so much and in the end for what? That IMO is not bullshit pal
yep, absolutely that, just let the taliban take over again, a fekin failure of everything that has taken place over the last 15-years, leaving those that were trying to build a better country to the devil. Great advertisement for Isis as well, the west will eventually capitulate, it's just a matter of time. The afghan government allowing the Taliban to take Helmand is an insult to those that fought for us, an insult to those that now have to live with debilitating injuries and to the families whose loved ones did not come back. My point also was that it was inevitable from the start, there are to many supposedly on our side that want the Taliban/Isis and all the other Islamic extremists to win. We are on a slippery slope as it is seen as the west that is fighting them, instead it should be all those in the civilised world standing up to them...........but hay, wtf, FIFA are just a bunch of kittens when discussing corruption; the UN has the real monopoly on that. I was so pissed off after reading that news about Helmand that I did go over the top but it would seem no one read the links anyway.
We were both arrogant and naive in the extreme to think we could ever beat the Taliban. All they had to do was keep up a low level guerilla war until we lost the propaganda war with the rising casualty lists. Democracies always struggle with long term wars. The Taliban weren't going anywhere. They had nowhere to go. We were fighting in their own backyard. It was appalling short term political expediency that saw us send thousands of troops over there to win a war that couldn't be won. We've lost good lads, young lads, backing up the Americans in their war on terrorism when what we should've been telling them was what friends are supposed to be able to say to friends - that's a bloody bad idea and you have no sense of history! But what's happening in Afghanistan at the minute has no bearing on what's happening in the Middle East. The only common factor is the religion. The Taliban have Islam at its core but it's primarily a local, tribal war. They're two different wars, one local, one regional. Ultimately the Afghani's will make a deal and the Taliban will regain some power. But Isis can't win. Nation states are at stake.
If that's true, put one of the links up then to show that the Taliban are planning attacks on the west, after all there's 'many intelligence sources' so shouldn't be hard. Or is this little fantasy in your head? I agree with the part that our lads being sent in has been for nothing, my mate who got shot through the ankle off some little Talibani, is of the same opinion. Although he also thanked them for an early flight home and compen, but that's just him Comparing the Taliban to ISIS and Al-Qaeda is wrong though. My belief is, leave them to it in Afghanistan, it ain't our problem as they aren't a threat to the UK. We should have learned through hindsight by what happened with Iraq and Saddam Hussein.
So are people from our own communities in this country, from the streets we walk on. Bigger picture, more pressing problems. The Taliban are barely a blip on the radar of this planet's problems. the news has been the straw that's broke the camels back which has resulted in two attempts on my life. If it's effecting you I advise you avoid it at all costs. Easier said than done though. The more it eats away at my soul the more I'm drawn to it.
Funky, don't listen to him. He's just spreading his ****e and hasn't got a clue what he's banging on about. Scaremongering at it's worst right here. Taliban planning to attack the West Taliban defecting to ISIS (there's reports of that happening on both sides, it's propaganda created by both sides) Concentrate on your lass mate, these extremists aren't worth the sweat off your balls man.
Fella I was not spreading ****e! My post started with and meant this: 1. Helmand province is being taken again by the Taliban and the government there don't seem to be able to stop it. 2. The fact that it has gone backwards so badly is IMO an insult to those that fought and died trying to bring that part of the world into the 21st century. 3. I then said it was though, inevitable from the start. It would not have taken the mind of Einstein to have worked that out. There are elements of supposed friendly countries out there that have been backing the Taliban, the Afghan government is corrupt and the Saudis spread the extreme form of whaabism Islam which fostered extremism, throughout the 70' & 80's; it was always going to happen. 4. I then linked a picture of Bush and Blair in their hay day at the start of the 'war against terror' looking so very sweet together. 5. I then linked an article that alleged Bush was involved with some pretty dodgy stuff with the Bin Laden family, before, during and after making millions and an article on Blair who is now racking up his own millions. People can make their own mind up on that; I believe there is a connection between the two. 6. I then said it was a shame for all those who we, through our intervention, gave hope too. Including that of the young girl trying to get an education, who got shot in the head for it. She and many many more over there will be feeling frightened and betrayed if the Taliban take over again and it goes back to the dark ages. 7. We agree Isis is where the fight should be. My view is that their intention is to get into wherever they can cause trouble and gain a foothold. They are attempting that in Afghanistan http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/19/the-emergence-of-isis-in-afghanistan/ they will IMO eventually succeed. I did not say the Taliban were planning any attacks, just that they are a bunch of religious ****wits that spread misery and are considered, by the UN as terrorists, the west went in to fight them and it looks like we are now backing off. Isis and other extremists see an opportunity and, left to it, they will attempt to take that area over. http://www.informationng.com/2015/1...tation-in-afghanistan-to-recruit-fighters.htm http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...isil-taliban-afghanistan-151101074041755.html It seems like anyone on here not part of the clique, cannot have an opinion or have a debate; I don't see any spreading of ****e, just a bit passionate about the treatment of our armed forces and the failure of our corrupt politicians , which got us into this mess in the first place.
