Conducting a poll to see what people think , may even start a petition for video appeal technology - inspired by today's appalling refereeing between Manchester united and QPR. Video on this page and poll of goal line technology. http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/135979-Video-and-Goal-line-appeal-technology-POLL
I felt sick after the Pienaar "sitting on the ball" scenario yesterday but you guys today, you must be ****ing furious. I'm not the biggest QPR fan but even I felt bad for you. Having the perspective of league one refs, then champ refs then prem refs in ssuccessive seasons give Norwich fans a unique perspective. The refs at lower levels are fairer and allow more free flowing football. You notice them less and there is far fewer blunders. Goalline technology should have been in 10 years ago, there is no longer an excuse not to have it, it's the simplest thing in the world to implement. Video appeals though... I would err on the side of caution.
I dunno 1 appeal per team per half wouldnt be too bad, there should be perks for being in the Prem - especially when so much money is at stake. Failing that, give the fourth official a TV monitor and let him talk to the ref if he thinks he's missed something.
Completely agree. Every goal / goal line incident is covered by what seems to be least 37 camera angles.
I'd say no, but with the pricks on MOTD and the like replaying stuff over and over, it has to be a yes.
I've heard it all now. QPR fans asking Norwich fans to support video technology after spreading the lie that Bradley Johnson 'went down' after Joey Barton's headbutt and calling us cheats.
Yes there is a certain amount of irony about the question posed One thing I added to a discussion on the Man Utd board last night was, and this applies to QPR perhaps more than any other team in the PL this season is that players help referees to make these decisions. Take last nights game as an example, Derry 'appeared' to have pulled on Young's shirt as his arm was out stretched. Going back to our game with them, Barton 'Appeared' to headbutt Johnson. In both examples neither QPR players actually did wrong (ok, Barton did have intent but that is another issue). Both of these were avoidable and it is down to the discipline of the players. We suffered in our first 4 games, not in the same way but our players aided the referee in awarding incorrect decision. Thankfully that looks to have been addressed (mostly) and QPR need to learn to do the same (as do all teams). There is always going to be a certain amount of 'cheating', 'professionalism', call it what you will because the stakes are so high but I would be against the use of video technology during the game except for goal line technology. If football goes down the route of allowing other features of the game to be scrutinized in this way during the game, the game will turn in to a farce eventually as managers call for more and more decisions to be reviewed during the 90 minutes.
Could not possibly comment - never watch it! I am guessing they use an official on the side lines or stand with a monitor? or do they just offer another perspective from upon high?
Another perspective is given from upon high if the referee requests it. The referee should be encouraged to use it if needed when they are unsure about an incident. Also the 3 challenge system works in tennis, that should also be considered.
So we are not talking about technology then..other than a microphone set up that already exists between the officials. I would be happy enough to see 1 person performing this but the question remains, once that was introduced how long would it be before managers wanted 1 in each stand? and if there were still doubts, what next? Still think the potential for it becoming a farce is there.
Technology is still involved, it's just reviewed from upon high. It stops players and managers crowding round a screen and keeps the decision independent.
I would first like to say, that I probably hate QPR more than anyone on this board, but if you get sent down, you can thank decisions like Man United and Barton's sending off vs us, the latter probably saw you take 0 points when you may have had 3. I think we/you/Blackburn/Wigan have all had some very poor decisions go against them this season, and conveniently, the only person who is insisting they even out if SAF!
I am convinced that technology will come in eventually. Personally, I am against it purely on the grounds that it is only the players who cheat and not the officials. We love an exciting 24/7 game. This board exists because of our need to talk about every day. Controversy is part of the game. I'm not saying we shouldn't eliminate mistakes but on the other hand if everything in life worked out as predicted there would be no point in us turning up today. What is the point where you say no more to technology? If it is 100% correct then maybe use it. But even cricket and rugby (both codes) do not always get it right, according to commentators who sit in judgement on everyone. England did not win the 2007 RWC because the 4th official decided after 10 minutes deliberation that Mark Cueto's stud had touched the white line. Total nonsense. We would have been awarded a goal in the last WC against Germany of course because there was NO doubt the ball had crossed the line. Would Derry have been sent off yesterday or would it even have been a penalty? I wager that some would say it was and he had to go. So even a 4th official would have been asked his opinion. Do you then ask for best of 3 officials to be sure? Do you think the likes of Fergie and Colin would let it go having seen it in the dressing room at half time? No. Its only the amount of money in the Prem and Europe that makes winning everything. Dalglish is under fire at Anfield for having a crap season and yet they stand on the brink of winning two of the three trophies they entered this season. Make winning less important and you will remove most of the controversy.
Hi bors, I think most of you are missing one important point. The introduction of technology will not be for the benefit of managers or clubs but to assist the officials to make the right decisions. Their decisions will still mean one manager/club will not be happy with the outcome of that decision but if it is the correct decision, then that will help to curtail any aftermatch criticism of match officials.
They say it could slow down the flow of the game etc but it seems to work in rugby but it is a slower sport than football. Ive always said that we first should have a tennis style hawk eye where each side has 3 lives to use on desicions
Think teams may use an appeal system in an unsporting manner. So maybe the ref should be given the chance to go to a tv reply if they're not 100% sure. Minimises abuse of the system from players and managers and should get the correct decision.
I think to have a video 'ref' watching somewhere could work, but only if done the right way. The last thing any of us want is for the flow of the game to be damaged by players surrounding the ref at every decision demanding he check with the vid ref. The way to get round this is for the ref to control the game as usual, giving decisions as he sees them. The ref should wear an ear piece from which he can recieve advice from a video ref but the key is that he cannot ask the video ref. The video ref should remain quiet unless he sees that the ref has got a gamechanging decision wrong and only then should he interfere. the ref on the pitch knows that if he hears nothing, his decision was correct. There would be no point in players surrounding refs more than now as they cannot ask for help anyway.
As for goal line technology, all you need is a sensor in the center of the ball and exactly half a ball width behind the goal line. If the center of the ball travels more than half a ball width over the line then the whole of the ball must be over the whole of the line. if this happens either a light on the back of the goal frame of a vibrating band on the refs arm should be triggered. simples. Would just need a more sensitive version of the anti shop lifting alarms.
Technology is already having an impact. If the ref misses an obvious red card, like Balotelli on Song yesterday, the FA can award a ban. Goal line technology is a must but the other change I would like is for the ref to be grilled by the press after a match. If he gives (or doesn't) a contentious decision he should be questioned on it.
