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Giles v Drameh

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  1. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    According to Fotmob stats Drameh was our MOM against Stoke so I thought I’d look at his season stats v’s Giles so far to see the differences…

    Giles

    5 matches (5 start)
    349 minutes
    281 touches
    4 duels won (28.6%)
    0 tackles
    83.5% pass accuracy
    162 successful passes
    0.01 X Goals
    0.24 X Assists

    Drameh
    4 matches (1 start)
    159 minutes
    187 touches
    11 duels won (61.1%)
    7 tackles
    86.5% pass accuracy
    115 successful passes
    0.08 X Goals
    0.09 X Assists

    Even if you crudely double Drameh’s numbers to get a comparison, he is way ahead particularly in duels, tackles and successful passes.

    Giles is behind in expected goals and there’s not much between them in expected assists if you are arguing that Giles is a more attacking full back. He’s also created 2 chances in his games and Drameh 1.

    We are certainly better with Drameh in the team than Giles at the moment and the stats back it up.
     
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  2. Newland Tiger

    Newland Tiger Well-Known Member

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    I never understood the Giles deal
     
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  3. dennisboothstash

    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    Thought this was a boxing thread…


    I’d still have gone for Drameh mind you
     
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  4. Plum

    Plum Well-Known Member

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    To me it just looks like Drameh fancies it a bit more, the rest of the side might see that too.
     
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  5. Idi Amin

    Idi Amin Well-Known Member

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    Drameh.

    Close the thread mods.
     
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  6. balkan tiger

    balkan tiger Well-Known Member

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    Well it started as an option which became an obligation we had the option of taking wether we wanted to or not.
     
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  7. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    I was surprised to see that Giles hadn’t made a tackle this season. I appreciate modern definitions of what makes a tackle confuse things - but Drameh made 6 against Stoke.
     
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  8. WSTiger

    WSTiger Well-Known Member

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    For a fullback 0 tackels for Giles is a damning statistic.
     
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  9. BlackAndAmberGambler

    BlackAndAmberGambler Well-Known Member

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    Drameh for me every time.
     
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  10. Stockholm Tiger

    Stockholm Tiger Well-Known Member

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    Ask me at the end of the season.

    For now, why do we always have to have a player we feel the need to bash.
     
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  11. Gone For A Walk

    Gone For A Walk Well-Known Member

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    Not sure it's about 'bashing' a player tbf, just discussion.

    It's ridiculous that we are still having problems at LB. Now playing (on merit mindst) a RB as LB.

    Drameh looks a very good player, a very good capture by us. I guess this is backed up by the fact that Leeds wanted him to sign a new contract with them before he chose to join us.
     
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  12. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    Wasn’t meant to be a bashing. I thought Giles would flourish this season, but don’t feel like we’ve seen anything like he is capable of.

    I thought Giles and Drameh would be excellent full back options. Coyle has been the pick of the bunch though!
     
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    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    Coyle has made 14 tackles this season in his 6 games.
     
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  14. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    Drameh is ranked 2nd in the Championship for average tackles per 90. Coyle is 21st. Giles yet to be ranked amongst 301 championship players who have made a tackle so far this season.
     
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  15. Walter Sobchak

    Walter Sobchak Well-Known Member

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    Drameh has taken his chance well, but he made a few errors against Stoke that first half. If any of our players were the finished article they wouldn’t be playing for us.
     
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    When you wonder why we couldnt get the striker we wanted ... there might be £4 million reasons...
     
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  17. TigerMarv

    TigerMarv Well-Known Member

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    We apparently had the money for a striker.
    More likely we wasted our time signing a keeper on loan to good to turn down but can't get in the first team.

    I like Giles and think he's a good player. But seems to get a lot of stick but it's us that messed him about. Saying that Drameh was better on Friday.
     
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  18. gftiger

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    It's only the obligation to buy after a poor spell that it makes it look so misjudged. In practice, it was always a permanent signing and not a loan with an option. If it was a normal £4m permanent deal from the beginning, everyone would have said it was a steal at the time based on his stats elsewhere. It seems City are making more and more of these fake loan deals to spread out spending, so Giles probably won't be the last player we end up forking out for after an underwhelming spell. To counter that, hopefully we end up with a few that seem like we've severely underpaid for when they turn out to be world-beaters.
     
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  19. The B&S Fanclub

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