Which is why we need to facilitate good communication about it to help develop a proper understanding. I don't know how easy it is to judge each case on merit so I would say that this is something that would require regular assessment regardless of how bad the illness is. If they are unable to cope then make provisions. In the majority of work places this is not that hard to do. I wish the government and mental health charities pushed these things harder. I'd consider myself a man of reasonable intelligence but I bet the vast majority of people know as much about this as me (**** all )
This is belter of an off topic fella. Not read it yet but fact is he wasn't well to work so should have been in the cock pit. His Union are the one in error here, they need to represent their workers better. They should have been fighting for his working rights so he could concentrate on his recovery. His union should never have stood for him getting on that plane. His Employers will be like like any other company give an inch take a mile, that's why we have unions to stand up for Employees when their Employers try to take the piss. Employers and Unions should be informed. Did he submit his sick note? Null and voids my first paragraph if he didn't.
No mate, it is my understanding he was given a sick note off the doctor but this was never handed to his employer.
Then his doctor should be informing his Union and his Employer. Simple as. I don't have to declare my bi polar when I apply for a job. If I do I won't get the job. But If I don't declare it how do they understand they needs when I can't get out of bed let alone get to work through depression, or how do they know the signs when my mania is leading to me taking dangerous risks which endanger myself and my colleagues. A maniac can turn something as simple as manual handling into a very serious injury to someone. Don't declare it at the interview and spring it on them after they're looking to get shot of you first chance and makes your working environment uncomfortable which is a trigger for me. There's no system to prevent incidents or discrimination for employers to follow and it's wrong.
What I find hard to understand is how or why there was not a system in place whereby people who are in dangerous occupations (as already pointed on here) could appear to be protected by European Employment legislation. In such cases surely there are exemptions to medical privacy, but what I find so unbelievable is the way he appears to have been monitored for his behaviour but still allowed to fly any aircraft. Lufthansa have alot of explaining to do yet. The driving force for releasing information about the crash is driven by the French who are holding nothing back as it is found whilst the airline is playing a very poor catch up.
My nephew is "living" with me at the moment and he is mentally ill - any f**ker with half a brain can see it. HE CANNOT SEE IT that's one of the reasons that he is mentally ill. One day he seems normal the next he does not anyone who is like that should not be trusted with peoples lives. Having said that I am sure that there will be something in the next government bullshit (assuming the c**ts get in) that will put him back again - as he has been improving over the last 6 months. sorry but this pisses me right off
Sorry mate but what is it exactly that pisses you off? I feel for you in your situation as people forget it's not just hard for people with the illness but also for the people closest to them. I hope your nephews health improves which I'm in no doubt will make both your lives easier.
Surprised there hasn't been anyone on this thread yet calling the co-pilot a complete and utter bastard, because that's what he is. Millions fight depression on a daily basis, it is not a valid excuse for the murder of 150 people. No doubt it is a debilitating illness, but ripping up that sick note, locking the pilot out of the cockpit, putting the plane into a descent...these were all callous, conscious, calculated moves by a sane yet clearly incredibly unhappy man. If only he had put a gun in his mouth that morning instead of going into work. In answer to your question OP, I believe any doctor diagnosing someone with a mental illness should contact the patient's employer directly to inform them.
A difficult subject to fathom... Is there a right or wrong answer ?!?! Every case of mental illness is individual and should treated accordingly. If I divulged my medication to my employers I wouldn't be in the job. I'm bipolar was diagnosed with 'Graves disease' many years ago however I manage on a daily basis. Granted, some days are major highs and some (like today) are manic lows. The pilot allegedly suffered with depression for almost a decade but has continued to fulfill his duties without cause for concern. The events that unfolded last week are awful and hindsight being the useless tool it is means everyone has a theory of what could or should have been done prior to it happening. In my opinion (and coming from experience in my line of work) if someone wakes up one day and thinks '**** it' I'm gonna crash a plane, or go on a shooting rampage, or blow myself up in a busy market place there is not a lot anyone can do about it. You've just got to hope and prey that you are watching it on the TV and not involved in any way. I fully understand the calls for doctors to give employers a 'heads up' when a patient is diagnosed with depression however then the doctor / patient confidentiality argument raises its ugly head once again. Like I said.. Difficult subject.. And one close to my heart !!
Just for being mentally ill? Surely people have a right to privacy or do you mean only if the doctor thinks they are a threat to themselves or somebody else? Bit of advice mate and this is all it is, go out and speak or even better, spend time with people with mental health illnesses and do a bit of research. You seem incredibly naïve about depression, it might just be your age, I don't know.
I'd love to sit around a table and swap stories about it marra... Maybe next season?! The ridiculous things that have 'set me off' in the past... Frightening !!
Absolutely mate, the stories I've got to tell and the things I've done when both high and low will take some beating I still get fascinated now just speaking to other people and hearing their stories, so definitely
It's hard for all concerned when they don't know which person is walking into the room... Is it the madman who rips your head off for the slightest thing or the fun loving lunatic who chases the kids and dog around the house on all fours?! And more frightening when that person can 'flip' from one to the other in a 'heartbeat' !! (Me today )
Always the bipolar lads posting through the night as well I'm just trying to keep a lid on it at the minute, the last few weeks I've been a mess. Sorting my **** out now though Yeah it's only recently if I'm honest that I've really understood the impact that my bipolar/behaviour has on other people. Hope you sort yourself out soon mate. I despair for this board the day that us 3 come on at the same time when we are at our lowest points, ****ing poor posters, I'd just log out until we are finished if I was them
This post is why awareness needs to be raised, it's ignorant, not out of malice but out of a lack of empathy which is underdeveloped through a lack of education on an area that most certainly the elephant in the room in our society. Depression isn't just depression. It falls into a spectrum, Never judge a man until you've walked a mile his boots. Everybody is an individual, each case must be judged on it merits and never ever underestimate how low depression can take someone. It brings on psychosis and deeply delusional behavior. He was not a sane, sane people do not kill 150 people out of sadness shared 'by millions' man.
