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Gareth Southgate

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Red Robin, Nov 16, 2016.

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Manager of England

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  1. NickH

    NickH Well-Known Member

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    ...Which is why England dominated the World game before the Premiership began(!).

    Getting back to the original question, I'm perfectly OK with Southgate being manager, though I think maybe giving him a short-term contract to the summer might not be a bad idea, just to see what the lay of the land is once the current season is over. As has been mentioned, England's shortcomings lie deeper than whoever is manager at the time. Highly regarded managers, both domestic and foreign have failed (if that's anyone's argument, Fabio Capello has the greatest win percentage of games of any England manager - though not at Finals!), so I'm sceptical how much impact they have.

    In club football, managers deal with their team, day in, day out and can shape how their players train and how they contribute to the team, whereas at international level a manager only has a squad together for a week every other month, with a number of new faces every time. I think it takes quite a different skill set to be a successful International team manager to that of a club one.

    I don't think there's any single reason responsible for England's shortcomings; it'll be a number of factors. Having said that, a stat that gets thrown around a lot is how many fewer qualified coaches we have, compared to the likes of Spain and Germany, which is likely to be one of those factors...
     
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  2. Red Alert

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    Southgate knows players coming through, played for England , done ok so far doubt Klopp and Guardiola will be banging on this selection panels door.

    Southgate will do ok . Will qualify easily then get knocked out in the first round after the group stage but with a bit more attacking intent than the last manager. That's were England are and you cant turn them into something they are not. no other manager can really do better with the available talent pool. England don't have players of the quality or a depth of talent like Germany/Spain/France/Brazil/Argentina.
     
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  3. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    The rules changed when Spain upped the ante in the second half and England became second best. Nonetheless it was a special goal from Vardy but he does disappear for large portions of the game.

    We lost our way in the world of football when we allowed all these foreign investments in the game and if you throw in Sky Sports in to the mix then it approaches mayhem.
     
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    Unfortunately if we wish to get our national team back on course,then the following needs to happen.

    1-A limit of four foreign players in each playing eleven.
    We need to get the nucleus of the team with British players playing.
    The problem being Sky dictate the football,and the crazy salarys that are paid.
    If this was changed, the whole premiership persona would change in its world standing.
     
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  5. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate the idea but four! Our league would drop to about the 8th best in Europe overnight <laugh>
     
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    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    That is the price we have paid for swamping the prem with foreign talent.
     
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  7. Red Alert

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    don't think caps are allowed under eu rules (?????) but spanish football is hardly the worst in europe and they have far less foreign players than England does.
     
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  8. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

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    Nah you're correct on both counts. But the Spanish have a hell of a lot of fully qualified coaches in comparison to us, which I suspect has a larger part to play in it.
     
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  9. Red Alert

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    It sort of the same thing as clubs and fans want Spanish players in Spanish sides so are doing far more to make it happen. Likes of Athletico Bilbao are all Spanish and from the region. Makes sense there to make sure the best coaching is offered so sides are not full of foreign players taking away opportunity to gain experience. Something sure Gareth Southgate any England manager would would like to happen but wont.
     
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  10. Cliftonville

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    The Spanish have a national strategy. Two thirds of players will be Spanish. Huge investment in development. Clubs, FA and leagues are all part of this strategy. It is loosely called the fidelity concept.

    In England. The FL - FA - EPL are nowhere near having a unified strategy. The EPL would never allow the above to occur in England.

    I have thought that change requires the England national team to spectacularly crash. Even defeat to Iceland did not prompt root and branch review/change.
     
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  11. BrightredRickster

    BrightredRickster Well-Known Member

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    Its should have been Glenn, but his past is forever catching him up and clipping him around the ear
    Why are all our leading lights on a self destruct button ?
     
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