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From his time with us... stay well clear

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Bucks Blue, Jun 15, 2012.

  1. Bucks Blue

    Bucks Blue Well-Known Member
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    First of all I come here in peace and with a serious comment.

    OK.. so it's public knowledge that AVB wants the job as your head coach. It would be an extremely poor choice by Levy and your board. Now I know you will all say that 'it was the chav players that got him the sack' etc. but it wasn't that.

    He completely lost the plot when referring to Alex and Anelka. Made them train with the reserves etc. and his treatment just wasn't on. His man management was pathetic and is one of the reasons why our players turned on him.
    He is tactically inept. I went to nearly all home and away games last season and I have no idea what was going through his mind. At WBA away which was his last game, 2500 of us travelled up there and were shocked by his tactics. First of all we played way too defensive and couldn't create any chances. Then when they scored, we just sat back and passed it around the back four, tried to play it out from the back. It wasn't working and he just couldn't realise this. At Everton away we had about 4 shots! It was the worst performance I have ever seen from any team.
    On Chelsea TV, one of the pundits had a slight dig at the manager. AVB responded by getting him the sack which really didn't go down too well with the fans.

    So he may want to come into a club and completely change the way the club plays. It just wasn't working for him. I widh him the best for the future but for now I would hope that your board takes serious note of what he did at Chelsea.
     
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  2. Boss

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    Your wasting your time as he done well at porto, was mourinhos assistant and its a dead cert he will emulate his success over here <whistle>
     
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  3. The Mighty Thor

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    Chelseaboi,there's no need to say you're in peace because for my part any supporter with serious football debate is welcome regardless. Thank you for your input but most of us have already said we don't want him. I want Low,Klopp or De Boer. So far Mourinho is the only coach from Portugal or Spain who's been successful in England. I feel certain that Spurs' style of play would be better suited to a German or a Dutch coach. Cheers.
     
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    I agree. He obviously has no man-management skills at all. You can't treat today's prima donnas the same way as the old days. Tactically, he seems inept too. He seems dogmatic, and convinced that his way is always the right way, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. A big No Way! from me.
     
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  5. Spurm

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    Low would be a great choice IMO but i can't see it. Reports seemed to suggest he was the brains behind 2006 and that Klinsmann was just a front-man/media appointment.
    I only think he'd leave the germans if he'd taken them as far as he could. For this german team i think that means winning something. If he wins the Euros then surely he'll want a crack at the WC too.

    Klopp - hmmm. Seems to have done well with Dortmund. But what before? I don't know much about him, how long as he been "succeeding" at Dortmund?


    I'm wondering how well Laudrup might do at swansea actually, did we miss out? Jenkins seems to be pretty decent at picking out a manager.
     
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  6. The Mighty Thor

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    Klopp has been with BD for 4 seasons gaining 5th,6th,1st and 1st and the first domestic double. He presided over Germany's longest winning streak of 25 matches. It looks like he takes a little time to get going but nobody at Dortmund can complain. He managed mainz 05 before and took them down but he can do well with a top team as proved.
     
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  7. Redbrynner

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    Im not saying you are wrong, as these things are a matter of perception when talking about success... Rafa at pool won the Champions League, got to another final and had the FA cup. If a manager came into your team and gave you that over th next two years, would you really think he had not been a success?
     
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  8. PleaseNotPoll

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    Rafa's time at Liverpool was successful, in hindsight, but it was largely seen to be mixed when it was actually happening.
    The expectations were very high and his inability to win the league was seen as a failure and not qualifying for the CL was almost unthinkable.
    A little bit different now, I feel.

    Seems odd that he's not even being seriously linked with any jobs in the PL anymore, really, despite his time at Inter.
    His record suggests that he'd be a better candidate than many of those who are suggested all the time.
     
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  9. Boss

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    Only the top clubs could afford to take on a manager like rafa and allow him the resources to build a team and i'm sure chelsea considered him yet he seems to be regarded as a cup manager and if you was manager of any of the top four clubs would you decide to go with rafa?
     
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  10. PleaseNotPoll

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    What about a side like Villa though, TB?
    They've got some decent players in there, despite what McLeish did to them last season, so would they require that much doing to them?
    Some decent youth prospects, too.

    Wouldn't he have made a bigger statement of intent than Lambert?
     
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    Terry, Lampard, et al undermined Villas-Boas because he was brought in to get rid of them.
    Chelsea made that far too obvious and the players had nothing to lose by doing it.
     
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    If AVB wants to salvage his reputation in management, I'd rather he did it somewhere else - for the simple reason that, if he doesn't, he'll do a lot of damage.
     
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  13. Boss

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    Personally I feel that would have been an odd choice as Rafa strikes me as someone who believes he should be managing clubs of the stature of inter milan and real madrid and while we all poke fun at Liverpool, they are a huge club.

    Villa must have felt they needed a young exciting manager to come and stamp his ideas while also not bringing demands of signing well known, expensive players.

    Rafa I feel would expect to move to a club were he could sign an alonso or a torres, make big money signings and in general I don't believe chairman of the big big clubs believe rafa is capable enough or can be trusted to build a title team.

    Also it doesn't help with what happened at inter and that rant about signing players.
     
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  14. I don't know about you guys, but 'Pool has the feel of Leeds before they disappeared into obscurity. Great history, but absolutely no future.
     
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