For those that wanted Pardew gone...

Are you happy now? becuase unless this slump is arrested , you guys are going down and no matter how much you may have hated pardew this would not have been happening with him in charge.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32469230

Pardew wouldn't have suffered these fools gladly!

He would have fought back!

Great insight in this thread... I must contemplate it.

 

Carver is just a Pardew clone. Don't forget that we had an absolutely shocking run at the same time last year with Pardew in charge and for the entire year we had the worst record in the PL. Carver just carried it on using the same players and tactics Pardew did.

 

I understand that there were many reasons that people wanted Pardew gone, i disagreed with a lot of them but there was a case to be made.

im yet to understand what those who wanted him gone expected (realistically) of the club after it actually happened. As it turns out what has actually happened is what many of the pardew 'supporters' (or at least people willing to cut him some slack) predicted, and we have been left with someone infinitely worse.

It was great how he left though. Theres three home points against everton in an entertaining game, sod the interview, im off to join a club who actually have some ambition and for who im already a hero. cheerio!

what a guy

 

Yeah , bad run of results after we sold cabaye and sucked the entire life and ambition out of the team. We were points off fourth before that.

 

I hope you don't really believe that Gordon, otherwise you need help. Carver is not fit to zip up Pardews fly.

People can say what they like about Pards, but his record when given the tools was pretty good. He was very good at masking the deficiencies in the way we have been run by those above. Basically he knew how to make hay when the sun was shining, and that was enough to get through to safety.

I don't think any would claim he was making a silk purse from a sow's ear, but he was at least able to make a purse and do enough. Carver on the other hand...

We had shocking runs under Pardew, and I have no doubt the very best managers could have done slightly better. Not a lot though because you need the players. We haven't got the players and when we do have some of them, we sell them at crucial stages. Those who supported Pardew (I say it loosely), did so full in the knowledge of what would happen if we didn't. Those who adopted the "he has to go, anything is better" approach are seeing they were a tad hasty to say the least.

 

exactly mate, and regarding the tools he needed, look at the similarities between our poor season when competing in europe and with martinez' everton this year, and they have much better resources than us. Better utilised resources anyway. Im not saying Pardew is of Martinez' caliber but it definitely puts our poor season into perspective

 

Pardew was ****e. End of!

Carver, on the other hand, is in a whole other bracket of ****e! It is like a nurse who has been involved in hundreds of brain surgeries being asked to become the brain surgeon for the day. Death ensues!

 

Whilst I agree that we would have had more points if Pardew remained in charge, I cant help but feel that judgement on his time here will have to wait until he has been properly replaced by a proven head coach. As he has still NOT been properly replaced his record can not be judged fairly IMO. We all know Carver is a no 2 at the very best, he is so far out of his depth its unbelievable.

 

The problem is that you don't get a fair crack of the whip here now. It doesn't matter who you put in charge, they'd be operating with one hand tied behind their back. Whilst that is still the case then it is impossible to judge a manager properly, including Pardew. Take a Frank De Boer type or one of these French guys we are linked with. They might do a bit better, but they don't have a magic wand. You need the players/squad. We have neither and our owner won't allow us to have it for any sustained period.

All in all when you step out the eye of the storm and assess Pardew, he did as well as can be expected under the constraints.

 

I agree but with one caveat. They have to have the same constraints placed upon him that Pardew did i.e. best players sold at crucial stages, never having enough players/quality in key areas. I think it would be interesting to see another head coach who is a popular choice with fans work under the same constraints. I don't think that will ever be the case however.

 

**** off you tiresome tampon.

 

ha ha dear me .. pardew the greatest ha ha .. righty hoe

 

Pardew's what now?! Fcking hell, what is Ashley doing with these incredible mind games. Carver may have been in charge when the 5th derby in a row ended in defeat, but someone else set that record up with four in a row....now who might that have been? He of the mighty headbutt, he of the FA Cup Third round exits (plural), he who regularly picked Gouffran way before Carver made it his status quo. I mean, did anyone else simply not see the hammerings vs Liverpool, Spurs and Southampton?

Now before you Pardites start claiming it was all about Cabaye leaving, I say bollox. No way is one player the difference, and it was already utterly clear that Cabaye didn't want to be here - the man had already gone "on strike", yet Pardew still decided to play so one-dimensionally around him, which in itself was dreadfully short-sighted management. Nah, I'm not having anyone claim Pardew is some decent manager all of a sudden after such a dire record. If things were really that bad, why wasn't he running for London last Summer??

Quick disclaimer - Pardew is clearly a better manager that Carver.

I am really spending too much time trying to work out the owners' logic on this club. It makes more than enough money to employ a strong backroom team, to recruit proven players to keep the club comfortably in 10th-8th and to provide any would-be head coach with the tools to do a decent job. All of which makes Mike Ashley's investment more profitable, more attractive, more saleable, easier to manage. Why oh why oh why are we sat here staring at Lee Charnley and John Carver?

 

Pardew has lost the last 2 games at Palace.
.... And so it begins.....
Those Palace fans openly tugging the love horn in the streets of London will shortly be asking to borrow our Pardew Out bedsheets...

 

https://twitter.com/backalanpardew

 

Its not being a Pardite though, everyone on this board who has in any way supported him has mentioned his deficiencies, but you constantly see posts that mention these poor runs of form that seem to often ignore the bigger picture, ie cabaye sold, a european season with a poor squad, going into the season with our defence as perilous as it was at the start of this season (pardew could be blamed for mishandling yanga, who im not completely sure could cut it anyway but theres a definite argument.)

'Now before you Pardites start claiming it was all about Cabaye leaving, I say bollox. No way is one player the difference'

Id argue otherwise, and its not totally just about the fact that we lost a great player, our best player and the man the team was built around..but what kind of message does this send to the team for the rest of the season? We all know that our squad depth and quality is precarious at the best of times, but then actions like this must just completely demoralise a squad. Even the hammerings you mentioned , and i must have blanked out the spurs one..but liverpool was on the back end of that nothing of a half season and saints was in the run of games where pardew had asked for time to integrate the team, and we improved after it.Yes they are terrible results but even someone like van gaal took a drubbing leicester while trying to get his team to work to a decent standard, and he has all the resources in the world.


'Fcking hell, what is Ashley doing with these incredible mind games'


well its the same kind of mind games that has him rolling out these fools as managers who are willing to work with crap, being undermined whenever possible, and then taking the large majority of the flack when it should be aimed upstairs at fatso and his whole soul sucking regime

 

****, ive been found out

ah, we need a shifty eye smilie

 

and a dislike button lol


boo this man!

 

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