Football without fans is nothing...

There are two sides to this,

There's clubs like Arsenal/Man United that charge a fortune knowing wealthy people/tourists will pay what is asked, these clubs will never reduce their prices as they sell out every week and wouldn't want to lose money.

This campaign should be aimed at the lower leagues where stadiums are half empty and you can pay £30+ for second and third tier football.

 

when gates start to fall, clubs will have to take notice.

 

They already are arent they? I've seen more empty seats on tv this year than at anytime in the last decade.

 

Certainly in the Championship, not sure about in the PL, aside from Wigan and Sunderland I can't recall many empty seats this season.

 

I completely disagree.

Whether you are Man Utd or Accrington you are going to charge the amount which brings you the most profit. The difference is, profit for Man Utd brings them a few million which is spent on a squad player - profit for Accrington keeps the club alive.

Forcing lower league clubs to charge less is a ridiculous place to start. Those are the teams that need money the most.

 

As Uli Hoeness Chairman of Bayern Munich said " we could put up the pass price by £200 hundred and make 2 Million but 2 Million to us when bidding for a player goes in 10 minutes. Thats the difference between German football and English Football"

Simply put but bang on. Why can our football teams see this. How many overpaid for players sit on benches for big money( Frazer Campbell at Sunderland an example) and are not really required.

Good luck to that campain..

 

Making the most profit and charging the highest price are not the same thing.

If you can increase your volume (i.e. customers) you can maintain or even decrease your prices and maintain a profit.

Obviously this depends on having a fan base that will turn up if ticket prices drop, which granted is not the case for every club.

It has worked in the past, Bradford City got their crowds up through reducing season tickets although Bradford Bulls tried something similar (They charged £60 for a season ticket) and nearly went bust.

Forcing small clubs to charge less obviously isn't right, but no-one is suggesting we do that.

 

Man Utd pass (roughly) - £800

Bayern pass (average) - £350 (some are much cheaper, some are more expensive).

Let's say that Man Utd drop their prices to £350, that is a loss of £450, per person, per season. There are roughly 52,000 season ticket holders at Man Utd.

So if Man Utd roughly matched Bayern's prices, Man Utd would lose £25m every season. That is an RVP.

 

Yet Bayern Compete in europe and have walked to the title this year. They must be some kind of model worth looking at. Is it due to the fact that Utd are in millions of debt??????

 

Of course, but if it made sense to charge less, do you not think that clubs would have done that already? I don't think that any Chairman want to squeeze money out of fans for the sake of it, they just want more money - and it seems the best way to get more money is to charge somewhat substantial prices.

Most football league clubs tend to have a strong base, that will pay somewhat high prices - and that is about it. There are maybe locals who would go now and again if they got a free ticket, or if the club was doing really well, but in most cases evidence suggests that halving ticket prices does not double attendance.

 

It certainly shows that it is possible to succeed without charging £800 per person. Though I am no expert on German football, I believe that if prices do go beyond what is deemed a 'fair amount', then there are large protests etc... which is not good for the club. Whereas here, Man Utd don't really face too much backlash for high ticket prices because everybody else does it.

If one top club slashed ticket prices, then maybe it would put a bit of pressure on the others.

However, I think that it is worth mentioning that lower prices would mean longer waiting lists. I'm not sure how it is in Germany, but didn't something like 500k Dortmund fans apply for tickets for the CL final? How many fans of the club can't even see them every week because of such a high demand for tickets? Does capitalist pricing not ensure that those who most want to go, get to go (though, there are obviously massive issues to do with income there).

 

I agree with everything you say. But one thing you've missed:-

Win and ticket sales go up. Lose and they go down.

That's why big clubs are big clubs, and long term fans who complain about "plastic" fans when they get promoted are degrading their own clubs.

 

I agree with everything you say. But one thing you've missed:-

Win and ticket sales go up. Lose and they go down.

That's why big clubs are big clubs, and long term fans who complain about "plastic" fans when they get promoted are degrading their own clubs.

 

Sorry, double post.

But you do get 2 for the price of 1.

 

Good points. Here is a thought then. Terracing. Boosts attendance and brings in another tarrif. Safe standing the answer to a lot of probs ie atmoshere, capacity and finance. Wins all the way..

 

Look at it from a hull city point of view
20,000 fans @ £28 = £560,000
20,000 fans @ £20 = £400,00
That gives the club nearly a £3m short fall

to get the same revenue we would need to sell 40,000 tickets every game just to cover a £8 reduction. How much of a set back would£3m of been to our promotion charge?

 

Those with passes where about £20 per match so it would not of been that much and kids where a lot less.. It would of hit our promo bid however with the riches that we have just earnt even 3 million could be allowed for..

 

Or they could pay their players less? Isnt the average weekly wage in the Bundesliga around the £12k mark?

Back to the season ticket prices, mine at Inter 4 seasons ago was £105. Yep, for a full season. Dont know what the current prices are but they wont have climbed that much.